I use SBLive value, but I would be first to admit that they fail to heed Scotty's advice (from Star Trek) and I paraphrase, "the more complicated the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..." I use SB Live BUT...I load only the SB basic drivers (the ones that load when you first install the card and are prompted for the disk, AND I disable the SB16 emulation (Dos drivers) AND I don't load any of the fluff that SB invites you to load after you have installed the basic drivers when you are directed to their "welcome" screen. All that "live wire", "audio HQ", "Launcher" etc etc are just asking for trouble IMHO