Soundcard or onboard sound?

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gevorg

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All you're doing in those cases is moving the DAC from your sound card/onboard sound to the DAC that is there.

The same scrutiny applies to those DACs.

Until we can hear digitally (plugging into our brain somehow [assuming we don't need a DAC to make analog signals in our brain]), DACs are not going away.

correct, the goal is to avoid D-to-A conversion inside your computer
 

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correct, the goal is to avoid D-to-A conversion inside your computer

A properly shielded implementation of a DAC does not care where it is. Motherboard manufacturers are pushing that level of care in integrated audio to lower price points with the z87 motherboards [Most likely to differentiate themselves to prepare for the motherboardpocalypse to come].
 

RampantAndroid

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A properly shielded implementation of a DAC does not care where it is. Motherboard manufacturers are pushing that level of care in integrated audio to lower price points with the z87 motherboards [Most likely to differentiate themselves to prepare for the motherboardpocalypse to come].

I've yet to see a single motherboard onboard audio setup post nvidia soundstorm that is worth using...
 

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At this budget, I would not even consider doing analog output from the mobo. Why? Modularity and simple economics.

(A) Modularity. Good audio gear will last you a long time before becoming outdated and you can upgrade parts as you see fit. Breaking functions out into separate components allows you to tweak and add things as you go along and you will never have to forklift the whole system (at great $$$$).

(B) Economics. A motherboard will be obsolete after 2 years, an outboard DAC will not. If you get an outboard DAC, you never have to worry about getting a high dollar motherboard or a sound card with drivers that don't support Windows X. You just have to make sure the mobo has an optical or coax output, which gives you a lot more flexibility (read: costs a lot less).
 

gevorg

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A properly shielded implementation of a DAC does not care where it is. Motherboard manufacturers are pushing that level of care in integrated audio to lower price points with the z87 motherboards [Most likely to differentiate themselves to prepare for the motherboardpocalypse to come].

In theory, sure, but in practice, outboard DAC > onboard DAC. Why start off handicapped? You don't have to deal with crazy shielding once you're out of PC.
 

RampantAndroid

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In theory, sure, but in practice, outboard DAC > onboard DAC. Why start off handicapped? You don't have to deal with crazy shielding once you're out of PC.

Just potential ground loops and getting a clean power supply
 

VulgarDisplay

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At this budget, I would not even consider doing analog output from the mobo. Why? Modularity and simple economics.

(A) Modularity. Good audio gear will last you a long time before becoming outdated and you can upgrade parts as you see fit. Breaking functions out into separate components allows you to tweak and add things as you go along and you will never have to forklift the whole system (at great $$$$).

(B) Economics. A motherboard will be obsolete after 2 years, an outboard DAC will not. If you get an outboard DAC, you never have to worry about getting a high dollar motherboard or a sound card with drivers that don't support Windows X. You just have to make sure the mobo has an optical or coax output, which gives you a lot more flexibility (read: costs a lot less).

This is exactly why I got a high quality external USB DAC. The difference in sound quality from my old auzentech xfi prelude was very noticeable. Even though auzentech is known for making some of the best xfi cards around I could still hear noise in the analog output. From my HRT Music Streamer II+ I just get silence and when it is putting out sound I get punchy bass, and ridiculously good mid bass on my q701's which are not at all known for their low end.
 

AnitaPeterson

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I used to be very much of a fan of standalone audio cards. It started in the late 1990's, when I used to do lots of audio conversions - digitizing LPs and cassette tapes. Back then, a Turtle Beach or SB Live! would go a long way.

I am still partial to Creative cards, even though their Win7/8 compatibility is gimped (I don't have access to any of the Console settings on my X-Fi Platinum in Win 7!)...

...but I'll be the first to admit that, if you a) only use the digital output on your motherboard; b) your motherboard was made in the last 5 years; and c) if you don't need any audio input features, then on-board sound would probably suffice.
 

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a $300-$500 5.1 computer speaker system is not high end audio. The onboard audio on a midrange motherboard will be sufficient for a computer speaker system such as creative's speakers. If you hear hiss, then you can later upgrade your soundcard but $500 is a LOW end audio system no matter how you slice it. If you're attaching your computer to a midrange audio system where the amp itself is in the $300-$500 range and the speakers are real speakers from a real speaker company, then you will want a good soundcard. And do note that if this is for gaming, that in most cases optical audio out will NOT pass 5.1 game audio because game audio is not in DTS or DD format. You'll need a special sound card capable of converting game audio to DTS or DD or you'll want a good sound card with good 5.1 audio outputs and an amp with 5.1 analog inputs (which is getting rare on lower end consumer receivers).

So in summary, if you have a lower end receiver with only optical or HDMI input, then you'll want to look for a soundcard that will convert game audio to DTS or DD and then the analog section of the sound card doesn't matter at all. Or, if you have a receiver with 5.1 analog inputs, then you'll want a good soundcard with good clean analog output and DTS and DD doesn't matter at all. Or if you are going with a creative 5.1 speaker bundle whose speakers sound pretty good at their price point but is NOT high end audio, then the onboard sound from a decent implementation will be perfectly fine. If you're going for headphones over $100, find a soundcard (USB or internal) with a good headphone amp in it.
 
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