South Dakota bans abortion

[FoBoT]

so you live in South Dakota?

 

[Shadowknight]

I support a ban on posting P&N threads in off-topic. Take it over there, guys.

 

[glenn beck]

unborn innocent babie we can kill
but murderer we shouldn't put to death

jeeeez...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Does anyone actually live in South Dakota?

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
People actually like in South Dakota? I thought it was a wasteland, oh wait it is.

They should force abortion there, who needs inbreed hicks who do their relatives.

You Minnesotans only wish you lived in as nice a state as South Dakota. I have to across that barren waste you call southern Minnesota every time I go back to visit from Illinois.

Probably the only thing worse is those damn Iowegians.

<-- South Dakota native.

<-- Also joking.

<-- Maybe....

 

[BigJ]

You're suprised that your bull is being gored after letting so many others get it taken to them?

 

[Milkman95]

Yey South Dakota in the news! I kind of like it here.. of course im in the south east part... the middle there really is nothing...

OH and on topic its my understanding that there can still be abortions if the mothers life is threatened.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its called a forced value judgement. one you want to ignore because it makes it clear how even you don't really believe it is a full human being. how many real children would you sacrifice to save 10,000 frozen embryos?

i made the numbers huge so its an easy choice. 10,000 embryo's aka human beings to you?

i'd choose the real child no matter the number of embryos. i wonder why. i guess because i'm just a murdering baby killer. but really, thats how i am you know, immoral to the core unlike you. you like the taliban always know whats best for everyone else.

I don't think you could make a post filled with more logical falicies short of adding "Because I said so!" to the end of it.

You STILL are not getting it. It's a decision that doesn't have to be made. You're asking me to decide which is more important but you fail to see that it doesn't matter.

What if the children you chose to save were all future cancer fatalities and had but a few hours to live with no chance of a turn around? What if you had to be the one to tell a woman that was perfectly fit to be one of the best mothers in the world that you killed off her embryo in favor of saving a child that will be dead within the hour? What if a doctor told that to your wife... or said that he chose his dog's life over you having a child? We can add in the "what if's" all day long, but it still doesn't change the fact that your argument has nothing to do with abortion.

good god man, the fear in you is amazing. you just don't want to admit anything. of course the decision in a thought experiment doesn't have to be made if you don't want to think about it. but that is silliness and avoidance.

it is just a thought experiment. you are making up different thought experiments to try to cloud the main issue, the true value of an embryeo. by your reasoning you wouldn't be able to make a choice in any of the situations you brought up. its not about what ifs, but the actual value of the thing in question. and frankly you only brought them up because the answer to mine was too clear. it has everything to do with abortion. those against abortion have to make the case that everyone else cannot have abortions because they define an embryeo as having the exact same value as a real human being. this is obviously not cut and dry. for instance sperm and egg are not considered half the value of a real human being even when they are components that can create one.

lets make it easier. we know its hard to play with the lives of others. would you sacrifice your life to save 10,000 frozen embryo from the dumpster. its just your life against 10,000.

Get your head out of your ass. For you to tell me that I secretly condone abortion is such a crock of assumed ****** that you really should just shut the hell up.

You want to know what I would do? Everything... or nothing. I would work my ass off to save them all, or sit around and let things happen the way nature intended them to. I have no choice in the matter. You are wrong. You don't have to make a choice. Your pathetic "thought experiment" fails to account for the fact that things aren't black and white. The entire reason you post makes no sense is because you are asking people to choose from pre-determined options like it's a multiple choice quiz. Life doesn't work that way and your failure to understand that just shows that you are clueless.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Schadenfreude
Eh, well you can at least drive out of state to get one then, I suppose.

btw, this thread really belongs more on the P&N forums, though.

i think most women wanting abortions in SD already had to drive out of state. IIRC, there are only 1 or 2 people that performed abortions there to begin with.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ILoveLamp

Originally posted by: Schadenfreude
Eh, well you can at least drive out of state to get one then, I suppose.

btw, this thread really belongs more on the P&N forums, though.

And when they ban it in all of the US, what then? Drive to Mexico? Let some sketchy guy in a sombrero liquor you up with tequila and scrape it on out of ya? I don't think so.

And I'll put it where I want it.

at the time of roe v. wade several states had already legalized abortion, and had the court not sought to interject itself into the discussion it is quite probable that many other states, if not most, would have followed suit shortly.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ILoveLamp

The point is, since it's obviously unconstitutional, it could very possibly be appealed to the Supreme Court, and then all the conservatives there will have to "re-evaluate" Roe v. Wade, in other words totally take it apart, and in a few years it could be banned altogether.

roe v. wade was already taken apart and is no longer the law.

not to mention that there are 5 sure votes for maintaining the status quo on the court at the moment.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

I'm just curious, if there isn't RvW, do u believe in 3rd trimester abortions or only 2nd trimester and before?

roe v. wade allows states to ban 3rd trimester abortions.

 

[chambersc]

i say overturn roe v wade. with it overturned, it would send the issue back to the states. the states that allow abortions would become economic hotspots. it would promote tourism to those states! -- i believe that was a daily show skit a few months back.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
So, how much longer before this will go in front of the Supreme Court?

it might not ever get there. iirc, there is no enforcement provision to this law. if so, it isn't an actual case or controversy and it not justiciable by the federal courts.

 

[FoBoT]

it should be a state issue. the blue states would never outlaw it, so what is the problem?

 

[IAteYourMother]

imo, 3rd trimester abortions should be banned, of course with the exception of endangering the mother's life and other extreme circumstances

 

[cKGunslinger]

Yes, if anything should make you feel mad, it's an "outrage" email forward.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
imo, 3rd trimester abortions should be banned, of course with the exception of endangering the mother's life and other extreme circumstances

and roe v wade basically allows states to do that.

roe did not say that life begins at birth. instead, it implemented a trimester framework, (which itself was merely an easy proxy for what medical science could do with premature babies, at the time a baby delivered early on in the third trimester could be kept alive and nurished to health using medical technology, i have to imagine that in the last 30 years technology has improved).

in the first trimester, the state has no interest in the unborn fetus, and can make no regulation. they can't even regulate it as a medical procedure, iirc (which is why abortion costs have decreased while other medical procedure costs have increased).

in the second trimester, the state's interest increasess, and it can make some regulations.

in the third trimester, the state's interest may outweigh the mother's if the mother's health isn't at risk, etc. at that point the state may regulate abortion-as-birth-control to its fullest extent.

 

[CKent]

Oh well, it was a middle of nowhere bumblefsck state I'd never go to before this, and will remain as such. With every passing day a secession looks more and more tempting.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Oh well, it was a middle of nowhere bumblefsck state I'd never go to before this, and will remain as such. With every passing day a secession looks more and more tempting.

Maine? Secession? Eh..go for it, I guess.

 

[DuallyX]

Originally posted by: RBachman
Oh well, it was a middle of nowhere bumblefsck state I'd never go to before this, and will remain as such. With every passing day a secession looks more and more tempting.

Don't worry...you'll get your sex-session one of these days.

Oh, and to the discussion (although the initial post was untrue):

1. Abortion is not a right defined anywhere in the constitution.
2. States SHOULD be the ones making laws regarding abortion, if anyone.
3. I'm an idiot for being suckered into posting...or even reading an abortion thread.

 

[Fritzo]

Can't North Dakota and South Dakota just resolve their differences, and just become DAKOTA????

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Mill
All abortion threads should be banned from all internet forums. No good ever comes out of them.

yea lets make the forums a dull place. lets not talk about anything of any consequence...

All abortion threads are the same thing. If you want to make a forum dull then have nothing but abortion threads.

 

[JDrake]

:thumbsup: for SD

 

[eakers]

wow, that is a huge step backwards for women's rights in the United States.

With George Bush's agenda I wouldn't be surprised if this did become law everywhere eventually. Remember how 2001 they stopped funding any clinics wether they did abortions or not if they gave any advice to pregnant women on the subject of abortion other than "don't do it".