South Dakota hotel bans Native Americans from their property. Local tribal leaders: Get off our land!

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SmCaudata

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I wonder if the responses would have been different if this hotel had reacted by noting that the patron who shot someone was a man, and reacted by banning all males (of whatever race)?

I'm not sure I'm even making a political point there, as it seems like that argument could go either way.
Doing this would actually work to reduce violence and aggression.
 

pmv

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Doing this would actually work to reduce violence and aggression.

Yeah, it probably would. And maybe an 'all woman' hotel would be legally allowed? Don't know what the rules are about that. Am sure it would lead to an argument about "non-binary" and "trans" people though.
 

Commodus

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They will easily win their Civil Right suit, as the owner clearly discriminated against them based on race and posted their intent to do so publicly and then acted on that intent at least twice. It is pretty much as open and closed case as they come.
The more interesting one is the suit claiming that the hotel is on tribal grounds and that they are trespassing based on the 1868 treaty giving the black hills to the Tribe. That treaty has never been enforced by the US government, but based on several recent SCOTUS decisions it should be legally binding. And that opens another massive can of worms.

Frankly, I'd be happy to see this as legally binding. The indigenous population has been roughly treated from the outset, but that's been compounded by treaties that were either poorly enforced or not enforced at all.
 

dank69

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No, no i don't. Enlighten me.
Twitter can't ban people for being black, for example, because race is a protected class, no matter how much you wish it were not.

Examples of protected classes:
race
religion
disabled

Examples of categories of people not protected:
Trump voters (even though they are mostly all white!)
Trump worshipers (even though it looks like a cult!)
Republicans (just above the mental disability line, sometimes)
 
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Twitter can't ban people for being black, for example, because race is a protected class, no matter how much you wish it were not.

Examples of protected classes:
race
religion
disabled

Examples of categories of people not protected:
Trump voters (even though they are mostly all white!)
Trump worshipers (even though it looks like a cult!)
Republicans (just above the mental disability line, sometimes)
I'd certainly disagree with you on protected religion. We've certainly seen enough of exceptions to it. Also the exceptions of differently abled. Tourette's syndrome sufferers as an example. I did like gave the religious "cult" example in your President Trump supporters, negating your earlier claim.

Just admit it, anything you can do to silence any and all political speech and dissent, no matter how fascist your opinion is, is perfectly fine with you and the leftist Authoritarian supporters in this forum.
 

MrSquished

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I'd certainly disagree with you on protected religion. We've certainly seen enough of exceptions to it. Also the exceptions of differently abled. Tourette's syndrome sufferers as an example. I did like gave the religious "cult" example in your President Trump supporters, negating your earlier claim.

Just admit it, anything you can do to silence any and all political speech and dissent, no matter how fascist your opinion is, is perfectly fine with you and the leftist Authoritarian supporters in this forum.
The fact that you exist is proof, that if there is an afterlife, there has to be some concept of hell for your ilk to go to, otherwise it would all be pointless.
 
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dank69

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I'd certainly disagree with you on protected religion. We've certainly seen enough of exceptions to it. Also the exceptions of differently abled. Tourette's syndrome sufferers as an example. I did like gave the religious "cult" example in your President Trump supporters, negating your earlier claim.

Just admit it, anything you can do to silence any and all political speech and dissent, no matter how fascist your opinion is, is perfectly fine with you and the leftist Authoritarian supporters in this forum.
Well you're still yapping so I guess we're not all that good at this authoritarian stuff. We'll leave that to experts like you.
 

Commodus

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Just admit it, anything you can do to silence any and all political speech and dissent, no matter how fascist your opinion is, is perfectly fine with you and the leftist Authoritarian supporters in this forum.

This is a very odd thing to say from a supporter of a party that tolerates (and in some cases, condones) an anti-democratic insurrection based on false claims, and whose most recent President has repeatedly attacked the free press while calling for broader libel laws to help him silence critics.

There's a long-established reason why private companies must be allowed to control what's on their platforms. If the government can force companies to carry content they don't want to host (and isn't required for other reasons), then it would threaten both the free press and any other private enterprise. Imagine if a conservative bookstore was forced to carry copies of The 1619 Project and Obama's memoirs; you'd be livid.

Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech, not the end of it.
 

Amol S.

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He's trying to equate blacks not being allowed to eat at lunch counters back in the day to conservatives being banned from twitter today.

He can't tell the difference between racism and "if you don't follow the rules you will get suspended/banned"
Just like how here on AT Forums, if you don't follow rules there are consequences. It does make me wonder why Taj does not make an issue over the forum rules here, but only feels an issue with the rules on Twitter.
 

Amol S.

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To get back on topic: I hope the native population wins and gets this hotel to either undo that policy or shut down. There should be zero tolerance for that.

And yes, Taj needs some basic education on actual free speech rights. Even if Twitter were a public space as Taj defines them (it's not)... public spaces still have rules for behavior. If you spread harmful misinformation (like shouting "fire!") and hate speech in a town hall, you're still going to be kicked out and/or face legal repercussions.
Example:
 
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This is a very odd thing to say from a supporter of a party that tolerates (and in some cases, condones) an anti-democratic insurrection based on false claims, and whose most recent President has repeatedly attacked the free press while calling for broader libel laws to help him silence critics.

There's a long-established reason why private companies must be allowed to control what's on their platforms. If the government can force companies to carry content they don't want to host (and isn't required for other reasons), then it would threaten both the free press and any other private enterprise. Imagine if a conservative bookstore was forced to carry copies of The 1619 Project and Obama's memoirs; you'd be livid.

Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech, not the end of it.
"Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech,..."

Says it all for the Authoritarian left. Thank you.
 

nickqt

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"Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech,..."

Says it all for the Authoritarian left. Thank you.
I know you're both a right-wing authoritarian who believes that illegal immigrants should be murdered, and a useful idiot who doesn't quite understand legal terminology and legal responsibilities of American businesses, so I'll explain this to other people so that others who aren't quite the flaming garbage bag that you are might get some clearer understanding.

Facebook and Twitter own and are responsible for their platform. If the shitbag fascists who you worship go onto their platform and start telling people to go out and spread COVID to as many people as possible increasing the amount of dead Americans, Facebook and Twitter have every right to not allow your fascist heroes to tell Americans to spread a deadly communicable disease that will end up killing Americans. In fact, Facebook and Twitter probably have a duty to prevent your fascist heroes from encouraging fascist shitbags from intentionally spreading communicable diseases to kill other Americans.

Now, again, I understand that you're fucking garbage as a person and are cheering on the coming fascist takeover of the government like a good right-wing authoritarian, but, I'll still take a second to explain how fucking stupid you are to other people who aren't shitbag fascist enablers.

Thanks for the opportunity to do so, and please, continue vocalizing out loud how you want fascists to kill Americans because you're too fucking stupid to understand well-established legal terminology and policy. Thank you.
 
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Facebook and Twitter are private entities. they are not obligated to host anyone's speech. Free speech only applies to the government.

Or as xkcd summarizes it...
I find it hilarious that the far left feel they should be the arbiter of what political speech is allowed and which is forbidden and which platforms it can be banned.
 
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Just like how here on AT Forums, if you don't follow rules there are consequences. It does make me wonder why Taj does not make an issue over the forum rules here, but only feels an issue with the rules on Twitter.
I wonder why that would be?
I just know i support free speech on all platforms.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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You guys ever consider maybe taji is a Soros plant to make conservatives look bad?
 

Fenixgoon

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I find it hilarious that the far left feel they should be the arbiter of what political speech is allowed and which is forbidden and which platforms it can be banned.
I never said where it can or can't be. Just that as private entities, you have 0 free speech rights on Facebook and Twitter. And shocker, businesses don't want racist shitposters.

Hilariously, truth social media also bans people.... You know, that platform setup by a former president that was supposed to bea free speech zone.
 

thilanliyan

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I wonder why that would be?
I just know i support free speech on all platforms.
It's fine that you support free speech on all platforms, but Twitter is not a public/govt owned company so they can control what is on their platform.
Until social media is designated a utility or something (I really hope it never is because social media a cancer IMO) they are free to control their own platform.

If you want their rules changed, you'd need to buy Twitter like Elon Musk tried, and you are free to try.
 

HomerJS

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That's rich from you Putin supporters when he jails people for just saying "war"
Bullshit. You were on your knees swallowing in front of your hero while he called Putin a genius and also when he sold out his own country in front of the world.

Also you do not favor free speech while cheerleading book banning.
 

Commodus

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"Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech,..."

Says it all for the Authoritarian left. Thank you.

Er, no. Authoritarians are the sort who want the government to force private companies to carry content solely to fit their political agendas. And remember, your approach could bite you in the ass. Imagine if Democrats forced Truth Social, Parler or Gab to include fact-check and hate speech warning labels. You'd be livid, but that's what you'd explicitly allow.

Besides... on top of your supporting a President who just tried to override legal election results, you also support a party that is overtly trying to rig elections through gerrymandering, polling restrictions and targeted voter ID laws. You moan about the "authoritarian left," but it's pretty clear you're uninterested in democracy.
 

VW MAN

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"Letting Facebook, Twitter and others ban content they deem harmful is a triumph of free speech,..."

Says it all for the Authoritarian left. Thank you.
You keep saying the words "authoritarian left", provide examples of left authoritarian, policies, laws, statements, people....come on bitch-boy this is right up your dimly lit alley, what evidence do you have?? I really want to know what you are referring to when you say those words.
 
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