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destrekor

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It's kind of counter-intuitive, to cook something that was specifically made to be slurped as a smoothie, but it sounds good in theory - a healthier baking flour, if you will. Brownies & cookies seem to turn out the best, and some people have had success with waffles. If you like that idea, check out Anna's site, the whole thing is dedicated to making delicious desserts with protein powder - I've had a lot of success with them: (and some spectacular failures too :biggrin

http://proteinpow.com/

As far as custom protein blends, there's a couple popular keto recipes:

http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/quidnycs-ketofood-for-ongoing-ketosis

http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/keto-chow-10-2

One of the more popular blends for weightlifting:

http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/highprotein-mediumcarb-weightlifting-food

And also a couple hundred recipe blends in the "sort by bodybuilding" view: (including Lean Gainer, Monster Mass, etc.)

http://diy.soylent.me/recipes?tags=Bodybuilding

I'm a tad bit nervous about experimenting with my own blend, especially since the Soylent company now has 2 years of development & beta testing behind them, including nutritional analyses, but they do make the recipe open-source & have a nice nutritional calculator, and some people have been on the knockoffs like People Chow for over a year with good results, so that's comforting.

Oh, sorry... what I was referring to specifically are companies that deal in custom protein powder blends. truenutrition.com is one, you can create blends based on percentage of this and that protein source, add some limited fats, choices of carb types and sources, and then flavors. I find that to be lacking in total nutritional profile, but it's a simpler and nice approach to getting what you feel you need most.

That said, I would find more comfort in aiming for DIY, under the assumption you have an understanding of what you need and have a few good recipes to help steer in the right direction and make a complete package. I have a fairly good understanding of macronutrition and minor nutrients, so I might look into combining a few recipes in the long run, but for now, I know me... this will be a few weeks of heavy research all around before I decide what the hell I want to do.

I agree that the actual soylent recipe as it stands is among the better choices of total package, and I wouldn't really want to deviate much from what seems to be a proven package. I haven't seen actual scientific analyses on it though, and I'd like to see that. I've accepted the total package based on what I understand, but seeing some actual scientific evidence would be mighty helpful. I haven't seen the complete profile of all the minor components, such as any antioxidants, flavanols, phytosterols and other nutritional components rarely quantified.
 

Kaido

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Oh, sorry... what I was referring to specifically are companies that deal in custom protein powder blends. truenutrition.com is one, you can create blends based on percentage of this and that protein source, add some limited fats, choices of carb types and sources, and then flavors. I find that to be lacking in total nutritional profile, but it's a simpler and nice approach to getting what you feel you need most.

Speaking of that, there is a guy who has a website who will do a custom blend for you, and also sells custom blends pre-made including Schmoylent, People Fuel, etc.:

http://custombodyfuel.com/

I also, I'm drinking a Soylent shake right now, which I threw in the blender with a banana (ripe, not frozen). Number one, it's horrible, the banana gives it a terrible aftertaste, not sure if it's the mix of flavors or mixing it in a blender instead of a shaker bottle or what (I took a bite of the banana first, it was fine-tasting). Number two, even on the "whole juice" cycle on my Blendtec blender, it's still powdery. Although now it's powdery in my cheeks instead of the back of my throat, which makes it a bit easier to swish out of my mouth. I prefer the plain mixer bottle version to this, yuck!

I split my remaining powder into a couple smaller portions. Going to try honey next. I'd like to bake with it, but I don't really have enough left, so I'll just do some different flavor blends. I'm still reading up on DIY blends...the official mix has an awful lot of ingredients, which probably contribute more to the overall nutritional profile than the DIY versions do, which usually have significantly fewer ingredients. Like you, I'd love to see an official study or trial done to determine long-term safety. But then again, most of us eat crap with a chemistry set for a list of ingredients, so I don't imagine this would be much worse
 

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BTW those who do get Soylent:

I've heard numerous sources suggest mixing it ahead at night for the day ahead. Now, for those who don't drink it for all three meals, I don't know how long the product lasts in the fridge, but given the ingredients, if refrigeration is maintained, it should keep at least a few days. That out of the way, it seems to be universally recommended to prepare it the night before, as it seems to break down and smooth itself out while sitting overnight.

Package says it will last 2 days in the fridge. I have gone 36 hours and it was fine. I do like to refrigerate it over night at a minimum. I've actuqlly grown to slightly like the flavor now as well (as long as it's cold).
 

destrekor

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Can anyone help clear this up?

It seems Soylent 1.0 - 1.2 contained fish oil in the oil blend, and in a nutrient breakdown at the time, it was said that Soylent provided approx. 1g each of EPA and DHA, from 6g of fish oil, which sounds about right. And that's a terrific amount to include in your daily diet.

Soylent 1.3 switched from fish oil to algal oil, which on the face of things makes sense. That said, the nutritional panel for 1.3 states you'll only get 180mg of DHA and 90mg EPA per day. That's an insufficient and, frankly, absurdly low amount. Are you expected to still take supplements with Soylent? I'll say if you are currently using Soylent and that is indeed the nutritional content, you all MUST take fish oil pills. It's simply a bad idea to not get enough.

I'm still shocked that it seems most of the DIY recipes are still very much inspired by the Western diet, with Omega 3:Omega 6 ratios from 1:2 or worse! And the nutritional profiles haven't broken down Omega 9.
The ideal diet, one that the human body basically developed with, is a basically a 1:1:1 ratio of all the Omegas. By increasing the amount of Omega 6 and 9 as compared to 3, you increase chances that the negative effects of 6 and 9 (which vary, but all involve the cardiovascular system) will not be matched by the cardiovascular defense abilities of Omega 3s. Most natural western diets can be as bad as 1:10 or worse between Omega 3 and Omega 6, whereas it is quite common for Mediterranean diets to have a 1:1 ratio or close to it. I have seen some DIY recipes that were 1:2, so that's a huge change for the better for most westerners, but frankly, it could be better. It appears Soylent would be about 1:2, but I cannot tell how much Omega 9s is involved. Monounsaturated isn't broken down, and most Omega 9s are monounsaturated as opposed to polyunsaturated. The main Omega 9 of natural rapeseed (Canola) has one such monounsaturated fatty acid, but most cultivars processed for Canola oil are low in that particular MUFA. Canola Oil, at any rate, is nearly 2:1 MUFAUFA. It's one of the least offensive vegetable oils, but it's still not exactly beneficial in the long run, if it is not balanced with more Omega 3s.
 

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Oh cool, an open source meal replacement plan. I think I remember reading that products having a list of ingredients made public would never happen and wasn't something that was on every consumed product in the country already. Good thing we have these geniuses to create a meal replacement drink that costs around $10 a day. For that kind of money, there's no way you could just throw a bunch of shit in a blender and get the same result for half the price or less.

Some hilarious shit. Whoever buys this is a retard.
 
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destrekor

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Oh cool, an open source meal replacement plan. I think I remember reading that products having a list of ingredients made public would never happen and wasn't something that was on every consumed product in the country already. Good thing we have these geniuses to create a meal replacement drink that costs around $10 a day. For that kind of money, there's no way you could just throw a bunch of shit in a blender and get the same result for half the price or less.

Some hilarious shit. Whoever buys this is a retard.

Well, buying it instead of producing it yourself saves a fair bit of time and hassle. What you find valuable and what you are comfortable with determines the end value.
It costs less than $10/day in raw materials, but it likely costs about $5/day at their economy of scale. The overhead is for shipping (which is free, and there is a fair bit of weight involved here, so that's something), but more importantly, business profit. They are the ones who are portioning out and weighing ingredients down to the milligram, and when it comes to creating a nutritionally-exact meal, there is a lot of importance to that. Just throwing things together in the blender without doing any of the math, and without having precise amounts accounted for, you'll have only the roughest of ideas of what you are getting. There are many things we consume, the micronutrients, where that can prove very harmful. Too much or too little of many vitamins is not a good thing. To take this on yourself, there would be a fair bit of time involved measuring out quantities with a scale.
I'd be down to do that, but not everyone will.
 

mrjminer

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Well, buying it instead of producing it yourself saves a fair bit of time and hassle. What you find valuable and what you are comfortable with determines the end value.
It costs less than $10/day in raw materials, but it likely costs about $5/day at their economy of scale. The overhead is for shipping (which is free, and there is a fair bit of weight involved here, so that's something), but more importantly, business profit. They are the ones who are portioning out and weighing ingredients down to the milligram, and when it comes to creating a nutritionally-exact meal, there is a lot of importance to that. Just throwing things together in the blender without doing any of the math, and without having precise amounts accounted for, you'll have only the roughest of ideas of what you are getting. There are many things we consume, the micronutrients, where that can prove very harmful. Too much or too little of many vitamins is not a good thing. To take this on yourself, there would be a fair bit of time involved measuring out quantities with a scale.
I'd be down to do that, but not everyone will.

Nutritionally exact is different for every person, though. Their measurements ultimately mean nothing. You could also, of course, say that about anything ever sold. The product is marketing, not the value of the product. You don't really need to measure things out with a scale, you just throw some shit in a blender, then drink. Take a vitamin every day. You'll probably also end up with something that tastes better, to boot.
 

destrekor

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Nutritionally exact is different for every person, though. Their measurements ultimately mean nothing. You could also, of course, say that about anything ever sold. The product is marketing, not the value of the product. You don't really need to measure things out with a scale, you just throw some shit in a blender, then drink. Take a vitamin every day. You'll probably also end up with something that tastes better, to boot.

Nutritionally exact is a variable target, yet at the same time, the values the FDA and other health organizations have come up with for all micros and macros are determined based on average need for all body types, body sizes, and fitness levels. At the levels they have determined, you will be nutritionally safe by consuming that level, regardless of your personal disposition. Now, if you are heavily into fitness and need more food, you are either consuming additional supplements of some kind, or additional food, and quite likely, adding whatever extra micronutrient you may actually need. The targets are well enough established that it is not a worry to only take that amount.

Again, just randomly throwing things into a blender without minding the levels of individual items, is asking for an unhealthy imbalance. We see what happens when people just eat whatever they want to eat in a day, multivitamin consumed or not, and I'm not referring to fat or thin. The level of heart disease in the US is disgusting, and with careful eating, it is quite easy to mitigate a majority of that risk. Again, Westerners consume so much Omega 6, a known promoter of inflammatory products, because they just do whatever they want to... and hell, it definitely seems that even many health nuts don't understand the importance of balancing specific fatty acid intake.

It's too easy to do it wrong. Do you need to use a scale for precision? Not necessarily, especially if you aren't actually adding pure mineral and vitamin supplements from bulk. But you sure as hell need to understand the full composition of what is going in, if you care to live off of that more often than not. Most people just eat to reach satiety and figure a mostly well-rounded diet will give them everything they need. It's a major gamble, and while many live a long life without ever thinking about micros and macros, more often than not, that's a testament to genetics and perhaps luckily consuming the right antioxidants or other compounds. The ability to shape your immune system and stave off systemic disease or even cancer, that can all be done with food. You can gamble, or you can strive to achieve moderate precision based upon current science.

Science may fluctuate on the ideal proportion of macros, but ultimately, as long as the key micros are all consumed in the right quantities (which, oddly, seems to be easier to understand at a cellular precision level), the beneficial properties of those may prevent negative effects of too many carbohydrates or too many fatty acids.


To sum it up, I'm not saying you CAN'T do what you proclaim to be possible, I'm merely arguing that it is not in one's best interest to try.

I cannot say I have it right, and achieving to only reach pure precision of everything you need for decades on end in order to be healthy in your elderly years is not a readily enjoyable task. Frankly, I'm one who definitely prefers to enjoy food at every level, and have skipped out on some healthy components in my diet for a long time. My actual vitals and bloodwork determined that I am amazingly healthy as of two or so years ago, more so than most in their 20s according to my doctor. But that may hide deeper health anomalies, those that arise from free radical damage or not enough of key fatty acids. Perhaps the bloodwork checks out now but the damage hasn't reached a statistically significant level. That's very much possible and, hell, quite likely. Potential damage such as that is also easily reversed; extensive damage may be difficult to bounce back from, but the body is incredibly efficient at self repair, given the correct nutrients at the right times. Neural health defects from too little DHA can be overcome, to a certain point at least, and I believe it may not work as well in fully mature adults as compared to adolescents.
 

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We'll have to disagree on the fundamentals. I agree that there are levels that become unhealthy, but I don't think it is difficult to, for instance, not just make a shake full of peanut butter. A lot of people make their own shakes, mixes, drinks, etc. Such as what Kaido has linked to, on tons and tons of health, bodybuilding, and nutrition forums. To say that it is not in the best interest of a person to make what they consume is to say that nobody should do anything for themselves after all. I don't know about you, but I think people are often better off cooking their own food than tossing a Hungry Man in the microwave (though I have a terrible diet, I admit and do similar things regularly).

Most of the ingredients are things that aren't difficult to get through other consumables. Such as salt, protein, etc. I could see this product as a super expensive supplement once a day, but it's still pretty silly that the only things it claims to be are things that are already required by law (ie: "open source ingredients" -- hilarity). Further, I was perusing the items it contains, and you don't even need a blender. A spoon and a glass will suffice.

Soylent Green contains less nutrition than a daily multivitamin when coupled with a few extremely cheap, readily obtainable supplements. The levels at which the ingredients are present after actually looking at the ingredient list are laughably cheap. This is nothing more than a product marked up around 400% of what you could do yourself ordering some stuff on Amazon, give or take. In five minutes, you could measure out multiple servings yourself, toss it in the fridge, and be set for a week at a negligible price in comparison.

Sure, maybe for convenience, but that's like drinking bottled water over filtered tap water just because you don't want to go to the effort of getting out a glass, allowing water to fall into it, and rinsing the glass out. OK, maybe not quite that easy, but five minutes of time for a significant savings over an "open source" (sorry, it's so fucking hilariously stupid of a product based solely on marketing, I can't resist yet again) that is going to ultimately be better for your individual needs regularly is five minutes worth taking.
 

MixMasterTang

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I have not seen any "open source" recipes that are 1/4 the price of Soylent as you're suggesting. Typically closer to 4/5 or 9/10 the price.
 

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I finally got my confirmation that my order should ship soon. "Soon" in this case meaning "sometime in the next few weeks."
Here's hoping that my digestive system doesn't try to use it as a means to convert itself into a rocket propulsion test lab.


I'm also wondering about something else, now that he's gotten some extra funding: What's Rob Rhinehart's sellout price? How long do we have before he's bought out?




I did try a similar product in the meantime, Kellogg's Special K Protein. "Milk chocolate" is printed on the front. As in, they actually had the tenacity to put that on the label. There is indeed cocoa in the ingredient list.
They should have just labeled it "Brown, with natural and artificial flavors. We're sorry."

There is indeed a resemblance of chocolate in there somewhere, much like how a dead, flattened insect resembles a shiny new dime.

I'll take "neutral flavor" over this.





Gotta call BS on that future. That far in the future, and we can't figure out how to mitigate the human body's inherent tendency to gain weight?

There's already a good starting point.




I'm also pretty sure they'd have larger screens than that.
 
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QueBert

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I was ready to order it today to try it out until I noticed the 4-6 month wait for new customers. Dunno if that's accurate but wow that's a long time. I guess I still might order it because I really do want to try it. But I would love to order it and have it in a week or 2 not maybe half a year.
 

destrekor

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I was ready to order it today to try it out until I noticed the 4-6 month wait for new customers. Dunno if that's accurate but wow that's a long time. I guess I still might order it because I really do want to try it. But I would love to order it and have it in a week or 2 not maybe half a year.

They are supposed to be upping their manufacturing capacity sometime soon IIRC.
Once that wait drops, I might give it a whirl. Around that time I might also look into using some of the alternative recipes to get a more specific nutritional profile that I more readily believe in compared to the base formula. A major benefit is also, if properly ordered, a significant price reduction in per-meal cost compared to the shipped version. That said, you also inherit the prep time when saving on final product cost, which is a factor for some people.
 

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My old man went on a huge kick a few months ago about this. He made his own and for awhile was replacing at least lunch daily and sometimes breakfast. He is 55 I think, works out, in great shape, and he loved it. Said he felt great. I'll have to ask him whatever happened to his fad.
 

Kaido

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I was ready to order it today to try it out until I noticed the 4-6 month wait for new customers. Dunno if that's accurate but wow that's a long time. I guess I still might order it because I really do want to try it. But I would love to order it and have it in a week or 2 not maybe half a year.

Buy it off eBay, that's how I got mine - I didn't want to wait either. People are scalping individual bags or boxes these days on eBay (it's sealed so you know it's OK). I think mine was around $20 shipped for like a day's worth, so about the price of a nice dinner out. Worth it to me to experience the original formula :thumbsup:
 

Kaido

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They are supposed to be upping their manufacturing capacity sometime soon IIRC.
Once that wait drops, I might give it a whirl. Around that time I might also look into using some of the alternative recipes to get a more specific nutritional profile that I more readily believe in compared to the base formula. A major benefit is also, if properly ordered, a significant price reduction in per-meal cost compared to the shipped version. That said, you also inherit the prep time when saving on final product cost, which is a factor for some people.

Yeah:

Soylent 1.4 production will take place at two new manufacturing facilities, for a total of three. Together, they will have the capacity to produce Soylent at more than 50 times our previous output rate. Such a level of production will allow us to fully meet demand for Soylent, an enormous milestone in our company’s growth.

Soylent version 1.4 just came out:

http://blog.soylent.me/post/112067551237/soylent-1-4-begins-shipping-today

They now use powdered oil, so you don't need a separate oil bottle. I had the same idea when I started researching my own custom blend & found powdered coconut oil:

http://www.naturepacific.com/category/1321-banaban-nourish-organic-extra-virgin-coconut-oil-powder

I'm still researching all of the nutritional metrics for the DIY blends (especially since I have allergies) - there's a ridiculous amount of information to learn to make your own custom blend that is also nutritionally balanced, but I'm plugging away at it.

They also have a new carbohydrate/fat/protein ratio of 43/40/17 (the previous macronutrient profile was 50/30/20, but the new one improves digestibility). In addition, they added isomaltulose & removed artificial flavors. It is also no longer Kosher until they finalize their operational expansion & get re-certified, if that's a concern to you. More discussion on the new release here:

http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-1-4-no-more-oil-bottles-shipping-today/19552/66
 

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My old man went on a huge kick a few months ago about this. He made his own and for awhile was replacing at least lunch daily and sometimes breakfast. He is 55 I think, works out, in great shape, and he loved it. Said he felt great. I'll have to ask him whatever happened to his fad.

I have a buddy who has been on it for a year now & switched to DIY awhile ago. He said it has a lot of benefits:

1. Fixed price
2. Easy to make (shaker bottle)
3. Removes hunger
4. Keeps his weight stabilized
5. Doesn't have to think about food, dishes, etc. for breakfast & lunch

He pretty much only does dinner these days, and his health results have been fine. Not dead yet, which is a good sign! :awe:
 

destrekor

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Yeah:



Soylent version 1.4 just came out:

http://blog.soylent.me/post/112067551237/soylent-1-4-begins-shipping-today

They now use powdered oil, so you don't need a separate oil bottle. I had the same idea when I started researching my own custom blend & found powdered coconut oil:

http://www.naturepacific.com/category/1321-banaban-nourish-organic-extra-virgin-coconut-oil-powder

I'm still researching all of the nutritional metrics for the DIY blends (especially since I have allergies) - there's a ridiculous amount of information to learn to make your own custom blend that is also nutritionally balanced, but I'm plugging away at it.

They also have a new carbohydrate/fat/protein ratio of 43/40/17 (the previous macronutrient profile was 50/30/20, but the new one improves digestibility). In addition, they added isomaltulose & removed artificial flavors. It is also no longer Kosher until they finalize their operational expansion & get re-certified, if that's a concern to you. More discussion on the new release here:

http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-1-4-no-more-oil-bottles-shipping-today/19552/66

At first I found myself offended by the drop in protein, but then I realized, that dietary content is for the standard 2000ish calorie day.

For anyone who actually NEEDS more protein, they would need more calorie intake anyway, and they are probably supplementing with something other than Soylent. Protein powders or nuts or meats or something.

I'm surprised it took so long for them to realize they could use maltodextrin to encapsulate--and make a powder-based delivery vehicle for--oils. This has been a neat trick in the food industry for some time now, mainly something you really only find in those fancy restaurants often filled with micro-portions of fancy preparations. Er, so perhaps it isn't so widely known.

Either way, that is excellent that they have now made the product a simple powder pouch and add water, no other steps. That saves on shipping and packaging costs, surely. All those little plastic bottles, that seemed so wasteful.
 

destrekor

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I have a buddy who has been on it for a year now & switched to DIY awhile ago. He said it has a lot of benefits:

1. Fixed price
2. Easy to make (shaker bottle)
3. Removes hunger
4. Keeps his weight stabilized
5. Doesn't have to think about food, dishes, etc. for breakfast & lunch

He pretty much only does dinner these days, and his health results have been fine. Not dead yet, which is a good sign! :awe:

That's exactly what I would do if I move to this. I still need my tasty food, I'm a foodie and would kill if I couldn't ever enjoy some steaks, ribs, and other tasty dead animals products on my grill. I also love cooking up different desserts.

I imagine some days I could go all three meals, because I don't like to cook all the time, and hate all the time it takes up. To get that much time back in the day? Awesome. Probably every few days I'd have to have a real meal, either at lunch to spend time with coworkers or friends, or at dinner to have a good meal, especially with family.
 

Kaido

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At first I found myself offended by the drop in protein, but then I realized, that dietary content is for the standard 2000ish calorie day.

For anyone who actually NEEDS more protein, they would need more calorie intake anyway, and they are probably supplementing with something other than Soylent. Protein powders or nuts or meats or something.

#1 - http://discourse.soylent.me/t/soylent-1-4-no-more-oil-bottles-shipping-today/19552/13

Soylent 1.4 decreases protein to 83 grams/day. Most authorities suggest 56 grams/day for the average sedentary man. So 83 grams seems to cover most kinds of active lifestyles.

#2 - http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/

Take Home Messages: There is normally no advantage to consuming more than 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg) of protein per day to preserve or build muscle. This already includes a very safe mark-up. There hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb.

So Soylent 1.4 is 83g a day, which is sufficient protein for a 130-pound person who does bodybuilding (using the 0.64g/lb value). Granted, that's for an average-weighted person, so you could either up your Soylent intake to match your caloric requirement (iirc the current recommendation for an average adult male is 2,400 calories a day) or just toss an extra scoop of protein powder in there. Or eat a steak for dinner
 
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Kaido

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That's exactly what I would do if I move to this. I still need my tasty food, I'm a foodie and would kill if I couldn't ever enjoy some steaks, ribs, and other tasty dead animals products on my grill. I also love cooking up different desserts.

I imagine some days I could go all three meals, because I don't like to cook all the time, and hate all the time it takes up. To get that much time back in the day? Awesome. Probably every few days I'd have to have a real meal, either at lunch to spend time with coworkers or friends, or at dinner to have a good meal, especially with family.

That's really what it boils down to. I literally have dozens of appliances & lots of great recipes, but I don't like to cook every. single. day. My experience with Soylent 1.3 was good. Mix, swallow, rinse, done. It's edible. Most importantly, it's low-effort & quick to both make and ingest, which means you'll actually do it because there aren't any barriers to using it once you get it in your kitchen, especially now that there isn't a separate oil bottle. For added convenience, they now sell blender bottles that have built-in powder storage:

http://www.blenderbottle.com/blenderbottle-prostak.html

I'm kind of leaning towards a combo of Soylent & IIFYM as my current ideal diet: you get the convenience & 100% nutrition of Soylent, but also don't have to be strict with your "legacy" meals - as long as it "fits your macros". So you could reduce your cooking requirement while also getting abs! :awe: Reference reading:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37164857&postcount=20
 

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You guys need to learn to cook in bulk. I cook once a week and eat just fine.



while I make sauces and preserves that we keep I just have to have fresh food. I go to the store every other day and buy meals only. I do staples at aldi weekly and bi weekly Costco runs.


I need stuff fresh. While I keep some meat frozen i go to a local Butcher and get stuff and keep it refrigerated for a coupel days till we use it.



The idea of eating mush twice a day seems about as appetizing as eating ramen every day.


Food and the sharing of food is a big part of my family.



I can make you a nice fruit and veggie smoothie with fresh stuffs that probably tastes worlds better than this stuff.


I could see feeding this crap to prisoners and I would argue that would be cruel and unusual punishment.
 
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