Soylent Green is...dinner?

[destrekor]

while I make sauces and preserves that we keep I just have to have fresh food. I go to the store every other day and buy meals only. I do staples at aldi weekly and bi weekly Costco runs.


I need stuff fresh. While I keep some meat frozen i go to a local Butcher and get stuff and keep it refrigerated for a coupel days till we use it.



The idea of eating mush twice a day seems about as appetizing as eating ramen every day.


Food and the sharing of food is a big part of my family.



I can make you a nice fruit and veggie smoothie with fresh stuffs that probably tastes worlds better than this stuff.


I could see feeding this crap to prisoners and I would argue that would be cruel and unusual punishment.

I don't find the idea of a meal shake offensive at all, and would gladly trade some basic meals for these simply for time.

But I do agree with you, I can't really do make-ahead meals. I don't mind leftovers when I make a big meal and have a second or even third helping later in the week, but frankly, they always pale in comparison to the first hot meal, no matter what I do to try and bring life back to it.

I couldn't make multiple bulk meals to eat throughout a week, I'd be annoyed real quick.

I too hate the idea of freezing any kind of meat, though the simple things like chicken patties or burger I don't mind to keep around for simple cooking. But I always try to simply get fresh meat and cook it up in a timely manner. If I make a big scratch meal, I like to have fresh ingredients too, like fresh herbs or onions or what have you. So much so that, when I have the space, I'll definitely have a small herb garden of my most used herbs. Some herbs I'm fine with the store bought dried variety, but I like the grinder style whenever I can get it, like I have for the Italian Herb mix.


At the end of your post you also compare fresh smoothies to this meal replacement. Everything will basically taste better than a Soylent or similar shake. That's not the idea, not at all. The taste is meant to be mostly neutral, so you don't tire of it, but also something you simply drink and go. At most you shake up a batch. You don't have to cut up any fruits, measure out anything, clean the blender, etc. No prep time, no cleanup time.

Again, I am like you and crave fresh stuff and would never trade it all away entirely, I enjoy food far too much. But most days I don't cook big, I don't cook up fancy every day. Most days I just want sustenance - I just want it to taste good if I am going to put time into it, otherwise, just give me what I need to live.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

http://www.nestlenutritionstore.com...-Feeding-Nutrition/COMPLEAT.html#.VPeBK_nF98E

 

[Kaido]

The idea of eating mush twice a day seems about as appetizing as eating ramen every day.

Food and the sharing of food is a big part of my family.

To be fair, it's not mush, it's just like a protein shake - a slightly-thick drink. Chug it & you're done! I agree about food being a big part of family & social activities & happiness. For a long time, I think I understood the importance of food in our daily lives - it's HUGE! But I also work a lot, so being able to throw some magic powder in a shaker bottle is a really appealing idea for breakfast & lunch. I almost always work through lunch at my current job (which is fine because I absolutely love my work), but that sometimes means I don't eat as well as I should.

Enter Soylent - 100% nutrition, zero effort required. It's basically the same as eating something like a protein bar as a snack, except you're getting all of your vitamins & minerals, plus your fiber, protein, carbs, etc. For added convenience, I just picked up a new shaker bottle that has a screw-on powder storage compartment on the bottom, so all I have to do is load up the containers & add water to the jar & I've got lunch!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IOO2YSK/

Also, since they've gotten rid of the liquid oil (it's now powderized, along with the soylent mix), it's super easy to take with you & store. It may not be appealing from a taste point-of-view, but from a convenience standpoint in terms of removing hunger while hitting the optimal nutrition target, it's pretty amazing! This is about all the effort I have to do right now for breakfast & lunch:

http://i.imgur.com/6w95HsJ.jpg

 

[Kaido]

At the end of your post you also compare fresh smoothies to this meal replacement. Everything will basically taste better than a Soylent or similar shake. That's not the idea, not at all. The taste is meant to be mostly neutral, so you don't tire of it, but also something you simply drink and go. At most you shake up a batch. You don't have to cut up any fruits, measure out anything, clean the blender, etc. No prep time, no cleanup time.

Again, I am like you and crave fresh stuff and would never trade it all away entirely, I enjoy food far too much. But most days I don't cook big, I don't cook up fancy every day. Most days I just want sustenance - I just want it to taste good if I am going to put time into it, otherwise, just give me what I need to live.

That's really it, Soylent = convenience sustenance. And I do find that I enjoy "legacy" meals (they call it muggle food on the Soylent forums, haha) more because I'm not eating rich foods all day, so it's kind of more special when I'm eating something super yummy for dinner. A quick review of Soylent 1.4:

1. It's nice having everything in one bag (now that the oil is powderized). SUPER convenient. No oil to take along with you. I have one shaker bottle with built-in powder storage right now (link above) & might pick up a second one if I delve more deeply into Soylent.

2. A lot of people are complaining about different aspects of 1.4 vs. 1.3 (especially taste), but I think it's fine. I've tried doing stuff like blending in a banana or whatever, but didn't really care for it. Best option I've found to make it drinkable is to pour in a spoonful of sugar - it makes the drink slide down easily in a no-barrier way & only adds about 15 grams of sugar, which I've found does not affect me at all (for comparison, a 12-ounce Coke has 39 grams of sugar).

3. It's no longer gritty, but it is very grainy, like silt sand. Almost like a powdered sugar that won't dissolve, or like if you've ever accidentally inhaled cinnamon off a baked good before on accident when you go to bite it.. It gets me in the back of the throat when I swallow & makes me clear my throat; I think I had an easier time with the bigger grainy feeling of Soylent 1.3. It's not horrible & doesn't linger, but I would say that is the biggest downside of version 1.4.

4. Still not available immediately (4-6 month wait for newbies). I got mine scalped off eBay ($30 shipped for a package). You have a few different routes: you can go DIY, you can sign up & wait, you can buy it piecemeal (or in a super-inflated bulk package from a reseller online looking to make a profit), or there are even some people who are selling their subscription account for a fee, which gets you into the program right away for delivery. They said that they have expanded to a couple more facilities & will be cutting down the delivery time to days instead of months, although there is no ETA on that changeover yet. They did say that they will have 50 times the production capacity that they had before:

http://blog.soylent.me/post/112067551237/soylent-1-4-begins-shipping-today

I am interesting in the long-term results of eating food in a powderized, processed form, both as a replacement to select meals & as a full replacement for food. I did some very interesting reading online about people in comas & vegetative states; there are documented cases of people being kept alive for over 40 years using feeding tubes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwarda_O'Bara

There was one guy who woke up after 19 years in a coma; he apparently wasn't very happy with drinking liquid food all the time because his second word after waking up was "Pepsi" :biggrin:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-187920/Coma-man-wakes-19-years.html

Tragedy aside, the medical results show us that you can, at the very least, keep on living on a liquid diet long-term (4 decades, even), which is pretty interesting from a sustainable food perspective. I mean, imagine air-dropping this stuff into starving territories...you wouldn't have to die from starvation anymore! And if water is an issue, there are so many neat technologies coming out for that as well. Island Sky makes filtered dehumidifier units that can make drinkable water from literally thin air:

http://www.islandsky.com/

Throw some solar panels in that along with some boxes of Soylent & bam, you have the minimum nutritional requirements for humans to survive! Even more interesting is Bill Gates' latest machine, which extracts clean drinking water from sewer water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHgsL0dpQ-U

So there's the issue of worldwide hunger, as well as the issue of health in America. The government classifies something like 30% of Americans as overweight or obese, and the leading causes of death include stuff like diabetes, heart attacks, and heart disease. Imagine if people incorporated a nutritionally-clean shake like Soylent into a couple meals during the day, the impact that it would have on those statistics. Some neat ideas out there, for sure!

 

[feralkid]

I looked at the ingredient list and there's no mention of human ingredients. Didn't he see the movie?

Seriously the name is associated with something very objectionable.

Charlton Heston?

 

[destrekor]

That's really it, Soylent = convenience sustenance. And I do find that I enjoy "legacy" meals (they call it muggle food on the Soylent forums, haha) more because I'm not eating rich foods all day, so it's kind of more special when I'm eating something super yummy for dinner. A quick review of Soylent 1.4:

1. It's nice having everything in one bag (now that the oil is powderized). SUPER convenient. No oil to take along with you. I have one shaker bottle with built-in powder storage right now (link above) & might pick up a second one if I delve more deeply into Soylent.

2. A lot of people are complaining about different aspects of 1.4 vs. 1.3 (especially taste), but I think it's fine. I've tried doing stuff like blending in a banana or whatever, but didn't really care for it. Best option I've found to make it drinkable is to pour in a spoonful of sugar - it makes the drink slide down easily in a no-barrier way & only adds about 15 grams of sugar, which I've found does not affect me at all (for comparison, a 12-ounce Coke has 39 grams of sugar).

3. It's no longer gritty, but it is very grainy, like silt sand. Almost like a powdered sugar that won't dissolve, or like if you've ever accidentally inhaled cinnamon off a baked good before on accident when you go to bite it.. It gets me in the back of the throat when I swallow & makes me clear my throat; I think I had an easier time with the bigger grainy feeling of Soylent 1.3. It's not horrible & doesn't linger, but I would say that is the biggest downside of version 1.4.

4. Still not available immediately (4-6 month wait for newbies). I got mine scalped off eBay ($30 shipped for a package). You have a few different routes: you can go DIY, you can sign up & wait, you can buy it piecemeal (or in a super-inflated bulk package from a reseller online looking to make a profit), or there are even some people who are selling their subscription account for a fee, which gets you into the program right away for delivery. They said that they have expanded to a couple more facilities & will be cutting down the delivery time to days instead of months, although there is no ETA on that changeover yet. They did say that they will have 50 times the production capacity that they had before:

http://blog.soylent.me/post/112067551237/soylent-1-4-begins-shipping-today

I am interesting in the long-term results of eating food in a powderized, processed form, both as a replacement to select meals & as a full replacement for food. I did some very interesting reading online about people in comas & vegetative states; there are documented cases of people being kept alive for over 40 years using feeding tubes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwarda_O'Bara

There was one guy who woke up after 19 years in a coma; he apparently wasn't very happy with drinking liquid food all the time because his second word after waking up was "Pepsi"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-187920/Coma-man-wakes-19-years.html

Tragedy aside, the medical results show us that you can, at the very least, keep on living on a liquid diet long-term (4 decades, even), which is pretty interesting from a sustainable food perspective. I mean, imagine air-dropping this stuff into starving territories...you wouldn't have to die from starvation anymore! And if water is an issue, there are so many neat technologies coming out for that as well. Island Sky makes filtered dehumidifier units that can make drinkable water from literally thin air:

http://www.islandsky.com/

Throw some solar panels in that along with some boxes of Soylent & bam, you have the minimum nutritional requirements for humans to survive! Even more interesting is Bill Gates' latest machine, which extracts clean drinking water from sewer water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHgsL0dpQ-U

So there's the issue of worldwide hunger, as well as the issue of health in America. The government classifies something like 30% of Americans as overweight or obese, and the leading causes of death include stuff like diabetes, heart attacks, and heart disease. Imagine if people incorporated a nutritionally-clean shake like Soylent into a couple meals during the day, the impact that it would have on those statistics. Some neat ideas out there, for sure!

In regards to feeding tubes and liquid food, a good point to remember is that they are "real food" and scientifically certified complete. They are also monitored 24/7 in most cases, so they can adjust what goes in the tube if necessary: most often, vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes, if not measured as complete following liquid sustenance programs, can be supplemented intravenously.

The food usually consists of ground products, like chicken, grains, and vegetables. They aren't powdered because that kind of product can't really be powdered, not yet.

That route is more perishable and more expensive to produce and ship, otherwise it could have caught on earlier than Soylent.

I would love Soylent to get some nutritional experts involved along with certification trials. A stamp of "nutritionally complete as measured by ABC" would go a long way.

I also wonder what though feeding tube packages taste like. They are usually "unflavored," simply a blended product of the ingredients. Imagine blending up chicken, rice, carrots, beets, soy, adding some maltodextrin, and maybe adding some pure vitamins and whatnot, among other things obviously. Probably not the tastiest shake. D:

 

[Kaido]

In regards to feeding tubes and liquid food, a good point to remember is that they are "real food" and scientifically certified complete. They are also monitored 24/7 in most cases, so they can adjust what goes in the tube if necessary: most often, vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes, if not measured as complete following liquid sustenance programs, can be supplemented intravenously.

The food usually consists of ground products, like chicken, grains, and vegetables. They aren't powdered because that kind of product can't really be powdered, not yet.

That route is more perishable and more expensive to produce and ship, otherwise it could have caught on earlier than Soylent.

I would love Soylent to get some nutritional experts involved along with certification trials. A stamp of "nutritionally complete as measured by ABC" would go a long way.

I also wonder what though feeding tube packages taste like. They are usually "unflavored," simply a blended product of the ingredients. Imagine blending up chicken, rice, carrots, beets, soy, adding some maltodextrin, and maybe adding some pure vitamins and whatnot, among other things obviously. Probably not the tastiest shake. D:

iirc they have some nutritional experts on their team & I'm sure they'll be working on that type of stuff once their growth stabilizes. Right now they're trying to get the six month waiting period down to just days, and then get recertified as Kosher.

Honestly, I'm not so concerned about certifications because I compare it to what people normally eat. My coworkers bring in sugary iced caramel lattes & donuts for breakfast, then hit up the local fast-food joint for lunch, and seem to survive just fine...so ingesting a 100% nutritionally-balanced powder - despite not being say medically-certified - doesn't seem like such a bad thing, you know? And it's not like they're using exotic ingredients or anything, it's all stuff you can get off the shelf or have shipped in online (and given the amount of people who make DIY mixes using protein powder & whatnot...) & also stuff that they put in commercially-processed food, so we're already eating this stuff anyway. Cronut vs. a Soylent protein shake with some extra carbs & fiber? Sure, why not?

 

[destrekor]

iirc they have some nutritional experts on their team & I'm sure they'll be working on that type of stuff once their growth stabilizes. Right now they're trying to get the six month waiting period down to just days, and then get recertified as Kosher.

Honestly, I'm not so concerned about certifications because I compare it to what people normally eat. My coworkers bring in sugary iced caramel lattes & donuts for breakfast, then hit up the local fast-food joint for lunch, and seem to survive just fine...so ingesting a 100% nutritionally-balanced powder - despite not being say medically-certified - doesn't seem like such a bad thing, you know? And it's not like they're using exotic ingredients or anything, it's all stuff you can get off the shelf or have shipped in online (and given the amount of people who make DIY mixes using protein powder & whatnot...) & also stuff that they put in commercially-processed food, so we're already eating this stuff anyway. Cronut vs. a Soylent protein shake with some extra carbs & fiber? Sure, why not?

I would never argue it unsafe, not in the least, and certainly healthier than unplanned, unbalanced diets.

Remember, I am interested in using Soylent in the future, so I'm not against it by any means.
I'm just concerned about the deeper, slower impacts to health. Nutrition is something that scientists don't actually have understood to the fullest extent possible. Consider that dieticians still don't agree on which method of weight-loss is safest for long-term health, other than including exercise in your life. How different types of sugars impact the insulin system, how the sugar-fat intake ratio impacts lipid metabolism and storage in adipocytes, how different unsaturated fatty acids interact in the body and how they produce different second and third order effects, what aspects of diet impact cholesterol transfer by means of HDL and LDL, and how diet can impact blood triglyceride levels, etc. These are simply things I can remember off the top of my head, I do recall their being more complicated issues.

There are ways things impact other components of our health that aren't intuitive. For instance the fact that high carbohydrate diets, especially high glycemic loads (thus refined carbs), can cause triglyceride levels to increase. And different non-nutritive parts of our diet can lower those levels.

Long-term health impacts, be they cardiovascular or even mental, can be mitigated or induced by diet, and following a specific protocol right now isn't a guarantee for safety. I'm also discounting genetic factors, which are difficult to control.

My point is that I am a little worried about long-term health impacts that are not easily predicted, and getting nutritional intake "close enough" may not actually be close enough. That's not to say scientific certification would change any of that, but having a scientific board help certify that what is there needs to be there and is present in the ratio ratios, that would help. Of course, nutritionists are prone to disagree with each other, so things aren't guaranteed.

I did see that past versions of Soylent (not sure about v1.4) seemed to have an American-style Omega Fatty Acid ratio, which I am concerned about. In this side of the world, there is a tendency to have an Omega 3:6 intake ratio of 1:6 or thereabouts. In areas of the world with the least cardiovascular disease, such as the Mediterranean, it tends to be around 2:1. I can't recall the levels of Omega 9 intake in either, but it should be low in relation to Omega 3.
Omegas 6s and 9s, IIRC, have a tendency to promote inflammation, and one of the key benefits of Omega 3 is the ability to control that inflammation. Of course Omega 3 also has profound impacts on mental health (at least for childhood/young adult consumption; I'm not sure about adults), vision, cardiovascular health, etc.

 

[Rage187]

I've had it. Just one meals worth. It wasn't horrible. My sister/BIL drink it daily.

 

[IGemini]

Now that was not what I expected...

I put in my first order for a week's worth on the 3rd. Today I get an email that it not only shipped, but the package is only 30 minutes away (no origin scan?) and expected to arrive tomorrow...2 week turnaround exactly. Was really thinking this wouldn't get here until summer since the site still lists 4-5 months for first orders.

 

[Imp]

Aye.... It's supposedly available for shipping in Canada now.

At US$ 70 (subscription), that's about CAD$ 85. Throw in customs and/or VAT, and it's CAD$ 100 for ~28 meals. Not that bad at CAD$ 3.50 to 4.00 but not cheap. I eat 2 "real" meals a day, so it'd make sense. Might try it.

 

[Ruptga]

When they say "meals", they mean 500 calorie servings, so that's 4 per day instead of the 3 most would assume. That said, I'm pretty happy with it.

I've been eating it for about a month now. It's about $10 per day, and it's much healthier than most ways you can feed yourself for that amount. But, the main thing I like is the convenience, I never have to prep or clean kitchen stuff. It's not like you have to eat it all day every day either; if I feel like pizza I just go get it, and I don't even need to think about it because I'm saving so much on my grocery budget.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

When they say "meals", they mean 500 calorie servings, so that's 4 per day instead of the 3 most would assume. That said, I'm pretty happy with it.

I've been eating it for about a month now. It's about $10 per day, and it's much healthier than most ways you can feed yourself for that amount. But, the main thing I like is the convenience, I never have to prep or clean kitchen stuff. It's not like you have to eat it all day every day either; if I feel like pizza I just go get it, and I don't even need to think about it because I'm saving so much on my grocery budget.

10 dollars a day is saving on your grocery budget?

Holy crap.

 

[destrekor]

10 dollars a day is saving on your grocery budget?

Holy crap.

What's your average expenditure? Actual average. The average American grocery bill each week is over $100 IIRC (I believe that figure was corrected to be per individual, but not sure).

I eat many cheap meals, but once you factor in spending for lunches at work and perhaps going out to eat at some establishment for dinner or having a few hearty meals in a day, the average may tip toward the higher figure.

If you only use Soylent to replace the cheaper meals and still intend to eat big scratch meals or go out with friends/family from time to time, you might end up paying more. However, if you get at least 2/3 of your daily needs from Soylent and skip the multivitamins and other supplements (if possible), you may end up saving.

I'm currently investigating some DIY Soylent approaches to see if I can produce a cheaper daily cost and have a better nutrient profile. I'm not a fan of the vitamin choices in Soylent: folic acid instead of folate, the artificial Vitamin E instead of the natural version (dl-α-Tocopherol vs. d-α-Tocopherol). The dl version isn't absorbed as efficiently due to its composition, it ends up being 50% as effective as natural d-α-Tocopherol, so Soylent effectively contains 50% Vitamin E as opposed to 100% as claimed.

There are numerous vitamin compounds with a similar situation in Soylent. And most multivitamins suffer this same fate but thanks to their additive nature as opposed to replacing a nutritive diet entirely, it likely balances out just fine. But going with the lesser versions which aren't absorbed as efficiently or aren't as effective, is simply a way of cheapening a product. Which is sad when even numerous very expensive products still contain the lesser compounds.

 

[Ruptga]

10 dollars a day is saving on your grocery budget?

Holy crap.

Well then why don't you bust out your monthly grocery expenses? Do you note everything you buy, not just the bill on your major grocery runs? If so, how much do you value your time at, and how much is all that crap costing you once you factor that in?

Bear in mind I can eat for about four bucks a day on canned food, but that gets old fast and is a great way to end up with heart disease. I also don't have a garden or a freezer or even a full kitchen, it's shared with about 10 other people on this floor, and I don't have the inclination to be a chef.

Even when I had most of that stuff I always ended up spending at least that much on groceries because I'd overlook some ingredient, something would go bad, or I'd just get tired of what I could make for cheap. Shit happens and that sinks budgets, but not so much anymore. I spend ten bucks a day every single day, plus about 5 or 10 extra for the one or two times per week I feel like pizza or thai or whatever. That's it, and since I spend a total of 10-15 minutes per day on prep and cleaning that leaves extra time for the important things in life, like arguing on the internet.

 

[Jeff7]

What's your average expenditure? Actual average. The average American grocery bill each week is over $100 IIRC (I believe that figure was corrected to be per individual, but not sure).
...

$50/wk for me, and that's without any real attempt at saving money, plus I'm shopping at Giant Eagle, not somewhere cheaper like Aldi's. It's nearby, and it's a nice store.


Maybe that figure's not adjusted?
Or maybe I'm weird.

 

[destrekor]

$50/wk for me, and that's without any real attempt at saving money, plus I'm shopping at Giant Eagle, not somewhere cheaper like Aldi's. It's nearby, and it's a nice store.


Maybe that figure's not adjusted?
Or maybe I'm weird.

You may be among the more efficient and intelligent shoppers. Some people, like me, are more careless with money and are far too impulsive in regards to food (and, well, everything in my case).

And is that your entire raw food budget? Not ignoring any meat markets or other locations for meal ingredients?

If you ate Soylent for 31 days, no other food in there, it would cost $279.
For reference, documented here seems to be a fairly average American shopper.

Ask.com shows a $73/week for a solo male as average.

I'll have to track my spending sometime and see just what it is like for an average month.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I pay about 55 a week myself. And that's with splurging on things I probably don't need.

Costco, bulk, and chicken/rice/beans/vegetables go a long ass way. Get some spices in bulk and they last forever and make anything taste good. It's easy to eat cheaply and well.

I go once every two weeks to Costco stock up for 110 bucks a time, and eat only that. So basically 1 hour of shopping every 2 weeks is all I need food wise. No coupons, no weird deals hunting, just extremely efficient shopping. I don't eat out because that's expensive as fuck.

People go to meat markets? What is this, 1950?

 

[Jeff7]

You may be among the more efficient and intelligent shoppers. Some people, like me, are more careless with money and are far too impulsive in regards to food (and, well, everything in my case).

And is that your entire raw food budget? Not ignoring any meat markets or other locations for meal ingredients?
...

That's everything. Nearly all of my food is bought in a trip to the grocery store, approximately every 1-2 weeks, thereabouts. It varies from $30-$70. I also get things like toilet paper, shampoo, bath soap, and all that from the same place - and sometimes something like ice cream or a bag of shrimp.
Yes, "efficient." That works.

I guess I'd be a damn cheap date.

Full meal at a Burger King or McDonalds, as an example: Double cheeseburger and a small soda, maybe with small fries. I tend to come in at a bit over half the meal cost of most other people in a group.


Back during college, spaghetti was quite common for me. Cook up 1lb of that and I'd have food for several days.

I pay about 55 a week myself. And that's with splurging on things I probably don't need.

Costco, bulk, and chicken/rice/beans/vegetables go a long ass way. Get some spices in bulk and they last forever and make anything taste good. It's easy to eat cheaply and well.

I go once every two weeks to Costco stock up for 110 bucks a time, and eat only that. So basically 1 hour of shopping every 2 weeks is all I need food wise. No coupons, no weird deals hunting, just extremely efficient shopping. I don't eat out because that's expensive as fuck.

People go to meat markets? What is this, 1950?

My experience: Farmers market stuff tends to be better and more varied than what's in grocery stores. Much better produce especially.

I don't know of many where I am though. I grew up near Pennsylvania Dutch territory. If you weren't vigilant, farmers markets would spring up overnight in any parcels of unclaimed land.

 

[destrekor]

People go to meat markets? What is this, 1950?

You buy all of your meat at the grocery store?

I guess if all you are getting is bulk chicken, Costco is fine. And Costco does have some decent meat selections. That said, if you want the best cuts and quality of meat, you probably shouldn't be buying from the grocery store. That said, it's your preference. I buy half of my meat at a grocery store, but sometimes want something a tad better and go to local meat markets.

 

[Kaido]

Soylent 2.0 comes ready-made in bottles:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/03/soylent-2-bottles/

12-pack for $29, ships in October. One-year shelf life. No refrigeration required. Basically a liquid MRE (minus the cramps). Will definitely be sticking some in my work desk drawer for emergency meals :thumbsup:

 

[Kaido]

Just reading through the specs to see practical application....an adult male needs about 2,400 calories a day, so you'd need to drink 6 of these if you wanted to do an all-Soylent diet. So about $15 a day (roughly $2.42 per drink, times six). Either do 2 drinks for a meal, or space it out into 6 smaller meals.

Cost would be approximately $450 a month for a single person for a 100% Soylent 2.0 diet. That's basically 100% of your nutritional needs, at least according to the FDA. I'd be interested in doing a 30-day cut on the 2.0 mix just to see how a whole month of not eating real food would be like. The commercial is pretty good too:

http://blog.soylent.com/post/125754565787/soylent-20-use-less-do-more

 

[Kaido]

Uh...not so sure about the long-term effects tho:

http://gizmodo.com/rob-rhineharts-latest-attempt-to-make-you-buy-soylent-i-1721852606

 

[Howard]

Uh...not so sure about the long-term effects tho:

http://gizmodo.com/rob-rhineharts-latest-attempt-to-make-you-buy-soylent-i-1721852606

The author obviously has an axe to grind, but what is specifically called out about its long-term effects? Do people live shorter, or develop illnesses more frequently, or are less happy, etc.; markers that can be tracked?

Some the nutrionists (not dieticians?) call out a high glycemic index, which is fair, but it can be modified if doing your own mix, and the drinkable version is claimed to have a GI that isn't any worse than the food in an average carb-heavy meal.

Plus, I can't really put much faith in people who warn of Soylent when they think that one of its "few advantages" is a low saturated fat content. Get with the times, people.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Just reading through the specs to see practical application....an adult male needs about 2,400 calories a day, so you'd need to drink 6 of these if you wanted to do an all-Soylent diet. So about $15 a day (roughly $2.42 per drink, times six). Either do 2 drinks for a meal, or space it out into 6 smaller meals.

Cost would be approximately $450 a month for a single person for a 100% Soylent 2.0 diet. That's basically 100% of your nutritional needs, at least according to the FDA. I'd be interested in doing a 30-day cut on the 2.0 mix just to see how a whole month of not eating real food would be like. The commercial is pretty good too:

http://blog.soylent.com/post/125754565787/soylent-20-use-less-do-more

Whatever floats your boat, but... all that, for that? D: