yeah, the 6ba+4 is pretty good, ive had one since i cant remember when, i've had (for some reason once) nearly every fan in my case died at once, and the cpu fan was/is carping out i ran a p2 450 24/7 thru the summer pretty much, and it still hums like a charm, i think though i have some old ram holding me back or somthin, cause i cant get it to stay stable with any ocing, or any more than 4 ide devices, i dunno why, but minute i add an 5th device, or any inch away from the cpu's recomended stats it starts actin up like really bad, but not over clocked, i can go without a lock up for months on end runnin rc5 descent3 win proxy, and usually with a good burner in the sys i can run a burn too, or watch a dvd and run some games windowed with rc5 and winproxy, though if i was choosin now, i might go for the 6ba 100