SP2004 / Dual Prime95 Failing @ Low CPU Temps (41deg. cels)

intelcore2duogrid

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Hello,

I'm trying to get my DS3+E6400 stable as high as possible and am seeing good temperature readings thanks to my Ninja Infinity and 120mm fans, but my stress tests seem to be failing after a few minutes. I'm running 443FSB, 8x multiplier, Vcore of 1.425v, mem at 2.1v, most everything is disabled, and using loose memory timings (auto going to 4/5/5/13 on my GSkill PC6400 HZ RAM).

What can I adjust to get these tests stable? I have some temp to play with as I can handle closer to 50deg. than 41-42 at full load (idles around 25deg).

Thanks!
 

stevty2889

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Could be a lot of things, might not be high enough vcore for the CPU, could be the FSB voltage needs to be increased with the high FSB(not sure if your motherboard has that option or not) could be chipset voltage that needs increased. You can use a divider to eliminate the ram as the problem, and drop the CPU multiplier to eliminate the CPU, that way you could narrow it down to FSB or chipset needing the voltage increase.
 

RichUK

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you're just unstable, nothing to do with temps. You require most likely more CPU voltage. Keep upping the voltage in the smallest increments within the BIOS until you stop failing prime. Try not to go over 1.55v and keep an eye on the temps as you increase. You are exceeding 3.5Ghz with 1.425v, I doubt you will get that sort of clock stable without 1.5 Vcore in all honesty.

Have you looked at the voltage on the NB and SB. I found on my P5B that upping the voltage to the SB to 1.7v and the FSB termination voltage to 1.4 solved a few issues i had with high FSB. Also as the FSB increases you will need to up the voltage to the northbridge dont be afriad to use max volts of 1.65.

Also download SP2004 Orthos. Its much easier to use (better GUI)
 

intelcore2duogrid

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Originally posted by: RichUK
you're just unstable, nothing to do with temps. You require most likely more CPU voltage. Keep upping the voltage in the smallest increments within the BIOS until you stop failing prime. Try not to go over 1.55v and keep an eye on the temps as you increase. You are exceeding 3.5Ghz with 1.425v, I doubt you will get that sort of clock stable without 1.5 Vcore in all honesty.

Have you looked at the voltage on the NB and SB. I found on my P5B that upping the voltage to the SB to 1.7v and the FSB termination voltage to 1.4 solved a few issues i had with high FSB. Also as the FSB increases you will need to up the voltage to the northbridge dont be afriad to use max volts of 1.65.

Also download SP2004 Orthos. Its much easier to use (better GUI)

Thanks for your quick reply.

I was sick of rebooting so I just cranked Vcore to 1.525 (EasyTune only showing 1.49-1.50 though?) to see if that was stable at 3.5GHz using SP2004 Orthos. CPU temp has climbed to a max of 49C (Everest Ultimate about 10C higher per core) but Orthos is no longer failing after a few minutes. Looks like I'll need to start stepping down Vcore to the lowest point where I'm stable.

The only option I have for FSB voltage is an "OverVoltage Control" (e.g. +0.1, +0.2, +0.3). I've also got overvoltage controls for DIMM, PCI-E, and (G)MCH.
 

RichUK

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Originally posted by: intelcore2duogrid
Originally posted by: RichUK
you're just unstable, nothing to do with temps. You require most likely more CPU voltage. Keep upping the voltage in the smallest increments within the BIOS until you stop failing prime. Try not to go over 1.55v and keep an eye on the temps as you increase. You are exceeding 3.5Ghz with 1.425v, I doubt you will get that sort of clock stable without 1.5 Vcore in all honesty.

Have you looked at the voltage on the NB and SB. I found on my P5B that upping the voltage to the SB to 1.7v and the FSB termination voltage to 1.4 solved a few issues i had with high FSB. Also as the FSB increases you will need to up the voltage to the northbridge dont be afriad to use max volts of 1.65.

Also download SP2004 Orthos. Its much easier to use (better GUI)

Thanks for your quick reply.

I was sick of rebooting so I just cranked Vcore to 1.525 (EasyTune only showing 1.49-1.50 though?) to see if that was stable at 3.5GHz using SP2004 Orthos. CPU temp has climbed to a max of 49C (Everest Ultimate about 10C higher per core) but Orthos is no longer failing after a few minutes. Looks like I'll need to start stepping down Vcore to the lowest point where I'm stable.

The only option I have for FSB voltage is an "OverVoltage Control" (e.g. +0.1, +0.2, +0.3). I've also got overvoltage controls for DIMM, PCI-E, and (G)MCH.

Nice work, and nice temps for that voltage. You dont really want to exceed 60 degrees. So keeping it in the low 50's is good going.

If you are happy with 3.5Ghz (which to be fair isn?t too shabby). Then as you said just scale down the voltage as low as you can at that frequency. The discrepancies between the BIOS reading and the software readings is normal. I usually prefer to go by what CPU-z states, however for accurate reading you could use a DMM. I wouldn't worry though as the voltage is not too excessive at this point, 1.55+ would be in my opinion.

Now if you want more speed from your processor you will have to tweak the other voltage adjustments. I would personally keep the voltage you currently have on the processor (around 1.525), and try and up the FSB in small increments until you become unstable.

I'm pretty sure that +0.2 will bring the FSB termination voltage upto around 1.4v. But this is usually a last resort as it is not always needed to be increased. The MCH is the northbridge, and the increased voltage to the MCH increases the stability for high FSB. I think the max voltage for you is 1.65, as it is with me and my P5B. It is safe to up the voltage to 1.65, quite a few people look for more voltage, and resort to volt mods, as I am doing. Of course this is only if your FSB starts crapping out.

I also have the HZ sticks. I would not recommend running as loose timings as you are. set them to 4-4-4-12 and just up the voltage to around 2.25-2.3. This will allow you to keep the sticks running 1:1 with the FSB without failing.

You could try lowering the CPU multi to find the max FSB and eliminating the CPU from holding you back.

Personally I just set the voltage to the processor that I am happy with. For instance 1.55v. I then up the FSB until you start seeing boot failures with the windows loading screen and or stalls/crashs within the OS. By this time I will up the voltage to the MCH, and keep doing so as I up the FSB so to stabilise. Increasing the voltage to achieve higher FSB is akin to increasing the voltage to the processor for faster frequencies. This is the basic way to OC, you will find that little things like the southbridge voltage and the FSB termination voltage can also hinder the max FSB and upping the volts to both can aid in stability.

Obviously the DIMM voltage only needs to be adjusted as you up the frequency of the RAM, I am currently running my sticks at 2.1, but wouldn't hesitate to run at 2.25-2.3, as that is only overvolting them by ~0.1 over the recommended voltage of 2.1-2.2.

Remeber within Orthos. Small FFT's for the CPU, then test large FFT's for your RAM frequency and timings stability.
 

augiem

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but Orthos is no longer failing after a few minutes.

Also, remember, you're going to have to run Orthos for much longer than a few minutes to be sure. I THOUGHT I had a stable 3250MHz e6600 @ +167.5mV vcore, but after 7 hours of Orthos blend mode I got an error. 7 hours! I think it would be stable with one more bump in voltage though.

I'm too scared to go beyond 1.45 v. I get some high temps (~60+) in the 1.5v region. Might need to lap or put more AS5... dunno.

Augie
 

cmdrdredd

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Originally posted by: augiem
but Orthos is no longer failing after a few minutes.

Also, remember, you're going to have to run Orthos for much longer than a few minutes to be sure. I THOUGHT I had a stable 3250MHz e6600 @ +167.5mV vcore, but after 7 hours of Orthos blend mode I got an error. 7 hours! I think it would be stable with one more bump in voltage though.

I'm too scared to go beyond 1.45 v. I get some high temps (~60+) in the 1.5v region. Might need to lap or put more AS5... dunno.

Augie


However, remember that orthos forces your memory and/or CPU to read and write data in a much more extreme mannor than you'd ever do with a real world situation. Whether gaming or anything else. I'd say if you can run prime/Orthos etc for 12hours at a time with no problems you're golden.
 
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