Spaces between sentences.

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WelshBloke

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As far as typing when the text will be displayed in HTML, none, really. I just see no point in breaking myself of the ingrained habit of automatically hitting the space bar twice after typing a period at the end of s sentence. I do purposely use 2 spaces in ordinary Word documents because it it still looks better to me when I'm using a "normal" typewriter-ish font and left-justified text. (And I'd fire a proofreader who changed it, or any other obviously intentional formatting I normally use without asking me first!)

If I'm creating a document I consider more along the lines of "desktop publishing " - which among other things often involves more distinctive fonts and full justification - I generally use the single space "typesetting" convention unless I purposely want to give a block of text a "typewritten" appearance...
Dude! No fair!

I can just about remember what I did this morning, quoting a two year old post of mine is most unfair!
 

Mike64

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Most of the report formatting rules drilled into you as a student are not needed in the real world, and are now also wrong when you try to check your children's homework
Don't know what you do for a living, but they (and many other, seemingly much more ridiculous ones) are an integral part of my "real world"...
 

Mike64

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It's one of several guidelines used by SOME professionals and the only one you have cherry-picked to support this claim.
And you are essentially arguing that since HTML does it, it must be the new "norm" for all non-handwritten documents whether they're analogous to material that would historically have been "printed" or, at least since fairly early on in the Industrial Age anyway, when typing took over from actual handwriting, were historically "typewritten." Last time I checked, HTML does not in fact rule the world just yet... (not even now, 2 years later, in 2015.)
 
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Mike64

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Dude! No fair!

I can just about remember what I did this morning, quoting a two year old post of mine is most unfair!
ROFLMAO Holy shit! I completely missed the fact that this was a total necro thread. (Indeed, I just tore back to the beginning of the recent posts, in quite the state of panic, to make sure I wasn't the person who reanimated it without my even realizing it. (I hate it when that happens! See my earlier comment re easily-addled, middle-aged brains.)

In the immortal words of Miss Emily Litella (who may or may not have been before your time): "Never mind!"
 
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CZroe

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Most modern software? I use Word which I assume most people also use, and I've never seen it convert anything to single space.

If you're referring to mobile platforms, I hardly think a system that gave us texting speak (kthxbai) is the best evidence of sentence structure.

No. Why are you so hung up on word processors? I already explained why they support it: Because you can deliberately choose a monospaced font. Almost all other modern software enforces this. It isn't just HTML, it's email, databases, text messaging, and everything.

The genesis was monospaced fonts on typewriters and it was supposed to die with them or only re-emerge when a monospaced font is used. FFS, it was never supposed to apply to forms of writing which employ variably-spaced fonts just like it didn't apply to HANDWRITING. The reason it exists in APA is because APA was written to apply to mechanically typed documents. Simple.
 

CZroe

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And you are essentially arguing that since HTML does it, it must be the new "norm" for all non-handwritten documents whether they're analogous to material that would historically have been "printed" or, at least since fairly early on in the Industrial Age anyway, when typing took over from actual handwriting, were historically "typewritten." Last time I checked, HTML does not in fact rule the world just yet... (not even now, 2 years later, in 2015.)

No. I am arguing that it was never supposed to be the norm for anything but monospaced fonts. Period. Just like it didn't apply to handwriting. Categorically, it wasn't normal before and it isn't normal after.
 

Mike64

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No. Why are you so hung up on word processors? I already explained why they support it: Because you can deliberately choose a monospaced font. Almost all other modern software enforces this. It isn't just HTML, it's email, databases, text messaging, and everything.
"Hung up on word processors"? Other than the fact that more or less 100% of of material intended to be printed by ordinary, individual users on a daily basis (whether for personal, academic, or business purposes) is written with them? Gee, I really don't know...

As for relying on website, email and txt message formatting as a dispositive "authority" for what constitutes modern norms for written material, you can't possibly be serious, can you?

It's quite clear that you prefer the look of a single space between sentences, but you're getting awfully carried away trying to craft a convincing argument that it's currently the accepted norm in all contexts and for all purposes...
 

CZroe

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"Hung up on word processors"? Other than the fact that more or less 100% of of material intended to be printed by ordinary, individual users on a daily basis (whether for personal, academic, or business purposes) is written with them? Gee, I really don't know...

As for relying on website, email and txt message formatting as a dispositive "authority" for what constitutes modern norms for written material, you can't possibly be serious, can you?

It's quite clear that you prefer the look of a single space between sentences, but you're getting awfully carried away trying to craft a convincing argument that it's currently the accepted norm in all contexts and for all purposes...
How can I "prefer the look" of something I can't see? The extra spacing is almost always eliminated.

The VAST MAJORITY of daily electronic writing done on phones, tablets, and computers is not done in word processors. I didn't use a word processor to write this post. I didn't use a word processor to write my last email. I didn't use a word processor to write this forum post. I didn't use a word processor to text my friend earlier. I *DID* attempt to use correct capitalization, punctuation, and single spaces.

Once again: Why are you so hung up on word processors tolerating it when the majority of outlets do not? It's almost as silly as saying that Notepad tolerates any spelling mistakes you make so it must be OK to spell it that way everywhere else. We know why Notepad doesn't object to your misspelling just like we know why Word doesn't object to you using two spaces.

Oh! I also didn't use a word processor to mark up my list of NES game with handwritten notes.
 
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Mike64

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How can I "prefer the look" of something I can't see? The extra spacing it almost always eliminated.


If you really can't see the difference between one and two spaces between sentences in a block of typed text (a) why do you have a problem with people using 2? And (b), your vision must be so poor I'm not sure you have any business commenting on the subject in the first place.:hmm: White space is typically ignored by screenreaders anyway...

The VAST MAJORITY of daily electronic writing done on phones, tablets, and computers is not done in word processors. I didn't use a word processor to write this post. I didn't use a word processor to write my last email. I didn't use a word processor to write this forum post. I didn't use a word processor to text my friend earlier. I *DID* attempt to use correct capitalization, punctuation, and single spaces.
[ETA: In my long experience with those forms of communication, emails, text messages, web forum posts rarely pay even lip service to, let alone have been a bastion of, proper grammar, syntax, nor spelling, let alone "proper" punctuation - or for that matter any shred or vestige of any of the niceties of "formal" writing conventions.] Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living that involves writing nothing but web forum posts, emails, text messages and marking up games? Whatever it is, it certainly must not be one the many jobs/professions that involve actually making the "real world" "go" (so to speak) on a daily basis, nor in academia or other research of any kind...
 
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CZroe

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If you really can't see the difference between one and two spaces between sentences in a block of typed text (a) why do you have a problem with people using 2? And (b), your vision must be so poor I'm not sure you have any business commenting on the subject in the first place.:hmm: White space is typically ignored by screenreaders anyway...
You aren't listening. I can't see it because no one can see it: it is removed/"eliminated" electronically and automatically, just like I said.

You post on Facebook? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.
You post on Anandtech? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.
You write an email? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.
You send a text message? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.
You comment on a video? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.
You write an article for a professional news website? *poof* There goes your wasted effort.

Guess what? 99% of the time the effort you put in the Word document was wasted because it was not required and did not serve the purpose it was intended for: adding more white space between sentences in monospaced documents where there is too much white space between each letter to be easily distinguished at a glance. Adding white space when you already have a variable-spaced font fixing that issue is pointless. Also, it usually doesn't matter if they stay there or not:
Unless your document needs to conform to APA, your effort was STILL wasted by being misguided/pointless.

Have fun!
 
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CZroe

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don't care, still double-spacing because it's the right thing to do.
I think we have firmly established that it is not the right thing to do.

Well, it was fun there for a while, but at this point it's become far too exhausting to keep this sub-thread going...
I blame that on your employer asking for your documents to be submitted in APA. Most people who use Word every day don't have to deal with that crap. I feel bad for ya, son.
 

Jeeebus

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What I find most entertaining about this thread is that the ratio in favor of two spaces seems to go up every time CZRoe posts.
 

ThatsABigOne

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Despite the pole showing a narrow lead for two spaces after a period, I still use one period. I am too lazy to press the space bar more than necessary.
 
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Lifer
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Despite the pole showing a narrow lead for two spaces after a period, I still use one period. I am too lazy to press the space bar more than necessary.

You also follow Trump in your spelling of 'poll', so I don't think I regard you as an authority on the (type)written word! At least you didn't capitalise it, so there's hope for you yet.
 
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