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Ancalagon44

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And my point is, SpaceX can be as fast and nimble as they want. Given that the nation of Russia has tried and failed 7 times to land small, unmanned craft on Mars, I have my doubts that SpaceX can actually land a large, manned craft. When NASA landed Curiosity in 2012, it was a major feat of engineering to land it successfully. Landing a much heavier manned craft will make that look like child's play.

I agree with you about the negative effect of politics on NASA. If we don't work out our politics on this, no one will land on Mars until after 2040.

A few years ago, people laughed at Elon Musk when he said he could land and reuse a rocket. No one is laughing anymore.

SpaceX is in a completely different league to the Russians.
 

Amused

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A few years ago, people laughed at Elon Musk when he said he could land and reuse a rocket. No one is laughing anymore.

SpaceX is in a completely different league to the Russians.

Would you say he's in the "American League?" The "ARL?"
 

PottedMeat

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WelshBloke

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I think that theres definitely still a place for state agencies in space exploration.
Elon Musk is an outlier and you don't want to bet the future of space exploration on the appearance of another mad man with lots of cash that they don't mind burning!
 

Puffnstuff

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I kinda wish that he'd opened up the payload to schools to launch their own projects. I think that would have been an awesome way to get an entire generation really involved in space exploration and engineering. Imagine being a kid and designing your own project and seeing it launched like that! Launching the car gave great visuals I guess but it seemed a bit frivolous.
Normally they use simulated mass on a maiden launch which is why they used his car and nothing else plus who else gets that kind of advertising.
 

Darwin333

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I think SpaceX is leading in rocket tech right now. I don't think they're actually going to land on Mars, not before NASA does. NASA may do so using some SpaceX hardware, but it will be NASA who does it, not SpaceX.

Russia, whose space program goes back to the 1950's has tried to land unmanned craft on Mars 7 times and failed every single time. And what they tried to land is much lighter and easier to land than the gigantic spacecraft that Musk is talking about sending to Mars.

Only NASA has the experience and institutional knowledge to land a manned craft on Mars, at least any time in the foreseeable future.

So far as foreign governments, or rival corporations, trying to steal SpaceX rocket technology, sure that could happen. There are many possible motives for such behavior.

I don't put anything past SpaceX at this point. They went from a shit-all knowing about rockets company in 2002 to being the first private company to launch a liquid fueled rocket, first company to launch a vehicle into orbit and recover it, the first entity to ever propulsively land the first stage, first entity ever to reuse the first stage and now have successfully launched the most powerful rocket currently in use and landed the 2/3 of the first stages. They did all of this in roughly 15 years, NASA has been working on the successor to the shuttle for at least as long and it still isn't going to be ready for quite some time. Oh, SpaceX spent roughly half a billion to develop, design, build and successfully launch the Falcon Heavy while the SLS is going to cost well over 12 billion dollars. I'd wager the SpaceX will develop both the Falcon Heavy and BFR including the planned 3 reusable second stage spaceships for far less than NASA will spend developing the SLS. Not to mention the BFR will be able to lift more and be cheaper to launch.

They are getting a ton of experience with propulsive landing here on Earth and yes, Mars will be much harder, but I wouldn't count them out. It wasn't that long ago that most people were laughing at them talking about doing things that are just routine now. Imho their vision with the BFR is better than NASA's with the SLS, not that I blame NASA, they are beholden to have their mission changed every 4-8 years and built in inefficiencies to keep senators happy.
 

Darwin333

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And my point is, SpaceX can be as fast and nimble as they want. Given that the nation of Russia has tried and failed 7 times to land small, unmanned craft on Mars, I have my doubts that SpaceX can actually land a large, manned craft. When NASA landed Curiosity in 2012, it was a major feat of engineering to land it successfully. Landing a much heavier manned craft will make that look like child's play.

I agree with you about the negative effect of politics on NASA. If we don't work out our politics on this, no one will land on Mars until after 2040.

A lot of the complexity, albeit not all by a long shot, was the "skycrane" because of the dust issue. SpaceX won't have that issue and can use the crafts rocket engines all the way to the ground versus some crazy insane rocket crane lowering the craft to the surface, cutting the line and then shooting off to crash elsewhere. Like I said, they are getting a lot of experience with propulsive landings and have gotten really damned good at it here on Earth. One could say that in the last 15 years the nation of the United States hasn't been able to achieve what SpaceX has despite spending a shitload more money. That will be doubly true if they do indeed have a crewed mission this year, which iirc NASA isn't even "planning" to do until 2022 and we know how their plans work out.
 

Darwin333

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I think that theres definitely still a place for state agencies in space exploration.
Elon Musk is an outlier and you don't want to bet the future of space exploration on the appearance of another mad man with lots of cash that they don't mind burning!

Oh absolutely! State agencies are absolutely necessary for pure science payloads, things like Hubble, the James Webb Telescope, and thousands of other pure science projects that NASA and other space agencies have/are in the process of carrying out. I'm curious if SpaceX can send payloads other than their own reusable second stage/spaceship up on the BFR? If so, NASA I'd almost be in favor of NASA helping fund, develop and test the BFR versus continuing to pump money into the SLS. They can use their vast savings on other pure science projects and leave the lifting to SpaceX.
 

Puffnstuff

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We now know what happened with the center booster that prevented it from landing on the drone ship. Apparently it ran out of ignition fluid for its return engines.
 

cytg111

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Oh absolutely! State agencies are absolutely necessary for pure science payloads, things like Hubble, the James Webb Telescope, and thousands of other pure science projects that NASA and other space agencies have/are in the process of carrying out. I'm curious if SpaceX can send payloads other than their own reusable second stage/spaceship up on the BFR? If so, NASA I'd almost be in favor of NASA helping fund, develop and test the BFR versus continuing to pump money into the SLS. They can use their vast savings on other pure science projects and leave the lifting to SpaceX.
Yea but that would come with conditions. I think Musk needs to do his own thing here. With Musk at the helm we might actually get a colony on Mars within our lifetimes.
 

Darwin333

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Yea but that would come with conditions. I think Musk needs to do his own thing here. With Musk at the helm we might actually get a colony on Mars within our lifetimes.

I was thinking more about doubling their funding for the things they are already doing like building scientific payloads and stuff. Hell, even let them complete the SLS and if it is cheaper to launch the significantly increased number of payloads with SpaceX then so be it. Basically nothing changes except they get to fund twice as many projects/fully fund more existing projects. How cool would it be if we were already building the successor to the James Webb Telescope the day it went into service? How much more data would we have if we started building the James Webb the day Hubble went up?
 
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