Spartacus: Unbelievably Violent and Pornographic!

[soulcougher73]

Show will be missed, but got a deserved ended. Yeah seeing Gannicus go out like that was rough. He was one of my favs in the show. Least he got some sweet poon before going out.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I saw an article about a week ago that Starz is considering a spinoff focusing on Ceaser after he goes back to Rome.

 

[JEDI]

I saw an article about a week ago that Starz is considering a spinoff focusing on Ceaser after he goes back to Rome.

didnt they do that on HBO?
hopefully they wont follow HBo's lead and

Spoiler

kill caesar

 

[TheNinja]

I am going to miss the show for sure. It was probably about time for it to end, but I think they could have made Vengence and War of the Damned into 3 seasons instead of 2. They could have done a little more character development and stuff.

Either way, this final season was pretty good. It was cool to see them have some "gladiator games" with the Romans again. I missed the battles in the area.

I was hoping Spartacus would live and run away with Laeta, but whether history says he did for sure or not, the show had to kill him. His character would never allow the people fighting for/with him to die or be crucified without him risking his own life to save them. He would never have given up fighting the Romans based on his character on the show so he had to die.

And we knew Crixus would die as well, plus all he end up wanting was Navia and a glorious death on the field of battle or the arena at some point.

It was great that nobody was actually able to best guys like Spartacus, Crixus, Gannicus, Agron, etc. in 1 on 1 combat. They all got killed or beat by being ganged up on or stab in the back. Except Oenemeus got bested by the Egyptian (twice), but he as a shell of his former self and very badly damaged from the pits and the arena. Thought I'm not sure how much time passed between him being rescued and getting beat by the Egyptian. I don't know if he had enough time to heal.

I thought they might give Gannicus a change or heart and have him finally give up his drinking and sexing and settle down with Sibyl, but that didn't happen either. Sad to see how he died though. Cool to see him reliving with Oenemeus though.

They should have a fictional season 25 years down the road called "Seed of Spartacus". A 1/2 roman 1/2 gladiator baddass born of Laeta whose best friend is Son of Gannicus and Sibyl. Agron has taught them the history and the ways of fighting. He was the new Doctore.

 

[darkxshade]

I was a bit let down by the end of the remaining cast but then I also understand they couldn't devote episodes to each death. But it all went down so fast and so suddenly that I didn't even have time to mourn. To me it felt like the last episode was put together as if the show was being cancelled immediately rather than ended intentionally.

 

[Aikouka]

They should have a fictional season 25 years down the road called "Seed of Spartacus". A 1/2 roman 1/2 gladiator baddass born of Laeta whose best friend is Son of Gannicus and Sibyl. Agron has taught them the history and the ways of fighting. He was the new Doctore.

I was curious if they would do something like that as well. It might be nice as a sort of short series or something like a Starz movie.

 

[raildogg]

We constantly need more stimulation because whatever that thing is, be it food, alcohol, drugs, entertainment, pleasures, get boring and repetitive. We want more forms of violence that are more graphic. It's all about more and more and more and more. Just one of the symptoms of a world that is destroying itself. By world I mean people. Unfortunately, we are damaging the earth along the way as well.

Speaking of violence in movies, I think if they want to portray violence, why not do it in a bit more subtle way? Do we need to view every single angle? I guess they would rather shock us rather than create something that has a bit of depth. My friend told me a couple of years ago about the violence and sex in Spartacus so I was aware of that. Maybe if the sex and violence isn't obvious enough, the attention to the shows might be less. Do what you can to draw in viewers. (Not criticizing Spartacus since I've not seen it).

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Now we need another roman era style show so we can keep up with the Jupiter's cock quotes.

I think they adequately covered Jupiter's cock quotes. Can't we have a show set in Greece and move on to quotes about Zeus's cock? It's good to try new things.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I really liked how by the end it was pretty evident that nobody (at least enemies/romans) respected Spartacus more than Crassus. Anytime anybody remotely tried to downplay Spartacus, he was super quick to tell them were idiots. And with how quickly he concended to Pompei, it's almost like after the sword fight and all, he basically was willing to admit Spartacus bested him. It's like he felt honor in it after having actually faced him.

 

[Mxylplyx]

And with how quickly he concended to Pompei, it's almost like after the sword fight and all, he basically was willing to admit Spartacus bested him. It's like he felt honor in it after having actually faced him.

I think that was more a reflection of his political accumen and pragmatism that was developed over the season. Getting into a political war with Pompei would not help him increase his standing in Rome, so he wisely chose to honor Pompei and gain a political ally.

 

[zinfamous]

Spoiler

Good episode, fitting end to Crixus. However, what the fuck was up with the Caesar rape scene? Is that based on anything historically?

only saw the most recent, and last episode (think I saw first and last episodes of this season), and if this is Caesar Tiberius that you are referring to, then, uh...Oh my, yes!

Well, it probably can't be definitively proven the specific things that he did, but he was one sick puppy. If you have any doubts, just know that he raised the boy whom would be Caesar Caligula (his nephew) from the age of, I think, 8, on his isolated little Island of sin and debauchery off the Amalfi Coast.

IIRC, historians tend to attribute Caligula's madness and his deeds, in general, to being raised by uncle Tiberius. (some even suggest that closer scrutiny shows Caligula to not be all that bad, actually. He was certainly beloved by the people early in his reign, and prior to taking power and it is only in his final years that his misdeeds are attributed to him. Some believe this to be fabrications cooked by his rivals and cemented in history simply to stain his name. :\)

 

[TheNinja]

BTW, I must be the only one, but I didn't give 2 $hits that Ceasar took it from Tiberius. I can only bet and imagine that Ceasar did unmentionable things to slaves and other people who he conquered. He also infiltrated Spartacus's camp and sold them all out. F Ceasar, I'm glad Tibby gave it to him.

 

[TheNinja]

I can also hope that in the afterlife, Gannicus will never again find himself light of coin, wine, or women.

 

[gothamhunter]

We constantly need more stimulation because whatever that thing is, be it food, alcohol, drugs, entertainment, pleasures, get boring and repetitive. We want more forms of violence that are more graphic. It's all about more and more and more and more. Just one of the symptoms of a world that is destroying itself. By world I mean people. Unfortunately, we are damaging the earth along the way as well.

Speaking of violence in movies, I think if they want to portray violence, why not do it in a bit more subtle way? Do we need to view every single angle? I guess they would rather shock us rather than create something that has a bit of depth. My friend told me a couple of years ago about the violence and sex in Spartacus so I was aware of that. Maybe if the sex and violence isn't obvious enough, the attention to the shows might be less. Do what you can to draw in viewers. (Not criticizing Spartacus since I've not seen it).

Then get out of the Spartacus thread.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I never got into Spartacus. The weird cartoon graphical action scenes put me off. Rome is much better.

 

[BladeVenom]

I saw an article about a week ago that Starz is considering a spinoff focusing on Ceaser after he goes back to Rome.

Hasn't there been enough movies and TV shows about Caesar?

Someone should do a series about Sulla.

 

[TheNinja]

I never got into Spartacus. The weird cartoon graphical action scenes put me off. Rome is much better.

I think they tried to make it "realistic" but over the top gore and blood at first. Then they realized it wasn't realistic and decided to go "300 style" graphic novel blood and violence and slow mo action scenes. I thought it was great as long as you don't try to think of it as realistic. It was supposed to be that style. We know it isn't realistic to jump 6 feet in the air, slash down on a guys throat and have blood literally spray out like a garden hose 12 feet out. But it's fun!

 

[Gooberlx2]

only saw the most recent, and last episode (think I saw first and last episodes of this season), and if this is Caesar Tiberius that you are referring to, then, uh...Oh my, yes!
...

He's talking about Tiberius Crassus, Marcus Crassus's fictional son in the show, who ended up raping Gaius Julius Caesar.

A show following the Caesars through Nero would be fascinating though.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

And with how quickly he concended to Pompei, it's almost like after the sword fight and all, he basically was willing to admit Spartacus bested him. It's like he felt honor in it after having actually faced him.

Wrong interpretation. A lot of that was fairly true to history, Crassus is the guy that really beat down the servile rebellion and Pompey really did steal the credit for it. Pompey was incredibly rich and powerful and the way politics worked in Rome back then you pretty much needed a patron to advance. Crassus allowed Pompey to claim the credit because that created an obligation for Pompey to help Crassus further himself. They even alluded to that in the dialog. And it worked, Crassus, Pompey and Julius Caesar formed the first Triumvirate of Rome and Crassus became one of the richest people in history. And then when Crassus died Caesar and Pompey went to war and Caesar kicked his ass, so Pompey got what was coming to him.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Wrong interpretation. A lot of that was fairly true to history, Crassus is the guy that really beat down the servile rebellion and Pompey really did steal the credit for it. Pompey was incredibly rich and powerful and the way politics worked in Rome back then you pretty much needed a patron to advance. Crassus allowed Pompey to claim the credit because that created an obligation for Pompey to help Crassus further himself. They even alluded to that in the dialog. And it worked, Crassus, Pompey and Julius Caesar formed the first Triumvirate of Rome and Crassus became one of the richest people in history. And then when Crassus died Caesar and Pompey went to war and Caesar kicked his ass, so Pompey got what was coming to him.

Additionally, Crassus was essentially "expected" to beat the slaves, while Pompey had just returned from (dubious) victories in Hispania. Crassus was honored with an Ovation vs Pompey's Triumph. Crassus's glory was totally overshadowed by Pompey's.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Additionally, Crassus was essentially "expected" to beat the slaves, while Pompey had just returned from (dubious) victories in Hispania. Crassus was honored with an Ovation vs Pompey's Triumph. Crassus's glory was totally overshadowed by Pompey's.

Another reason for the "respect" Crassus might had had for Spartacus. There was no honor in beating slaves, so building him up as a military genius was a way to try to gain a little more glory for himself.

 

[zinfamous]

He's talking about Tiberius Crassus, Marcus Crassus's fictional son in the show, who ended up raping Gaius Julius Caesar.

A show following the Caesars through Nero would be fascinating though.

Oh, I see.

....:hmm:

...so someone was asking if a fictional character raping Gaius Julius in this show was historically accurate?

:hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

I think they tried to make it "realistic" but over the top gore and blood at first. Then they realized it wasn't realistic and decided to go "300 style" graphic novel blood and violence and slow mo action scenes. I thought it was great as long as you don't try to think of it as realistic. It was supposed to be that style. We know it isn't realistic to jump 6 feet in the air, slash down on a guys throat and have blood literally spray out like a garden hose 12 feet out. But it's fun!

I thought it was over-the-top ridiculous from the first episode--not that there is anything horribly wrong with that.

Thing with Spartacus, is that while I find the dialogue interesting at first, and often humorous and worth repeating, there are only so many cock references--and most of them identical--the one can take before realizing that the writers are hacks.

Everything about Rome was just so much better than Spartacus--granted, I only watched a few episodes of the 2nd full season and, I think, 2 or maybe 3 of this season (just happened to be somewhere that I could watch it)...but I really had little desire to keep watching after the first season and the prequel episodes.

 

[Gooberlx2]

...so someone was asking if a fictional character raping Gaius Julius in this show was historically accurate?

:hmm:

LOL.

Crassus did have two sons, Marcus and Publius, neither of whom were involved in the 3rd Servile War.

 

[randomrogue]

What a great ending to a great series. They did an outstanding job keeping me guessing on how they were going to truly end things.

Rome was probably a better series but they were different and Rome only had 2 seasons before the set burned down and they cancelled the whole thing rather than rebuild.