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Maverick

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Avoid the FPS1500...they just sound crappy as hell. Not much better than the FPS1000, just doesn't have the hiss. It gets distorted quite easily, and the bass just doesn't have any kick. If you're willing to spend a little more, get the FPS2000's...I think they're on sale at buy.com for $113 with free shipping.

Otherwise, my personal recommendation is to get a good quality 2.1 speaker system instead of a shoddy 4.1 system. You'll get a much better sounding set of speakers for the money.

I think Klipsch makes a 2.1 channel system too...but its probably out of your price range.

www.gamecenter.com has a holiday speaker roundup you may want to take a look at also.

Good luck.
 

divinemartyr

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Oct 18, 2000
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Whenever I consider speakers, I look for several things. Consider what you want to do with them. Will these mostly be for games or for music? If you're looking to play games, then buy speakers that sound good listening to rap music. Lots of bass will give you lots of explosion power in FPS (First Person Shooter) games like Unreal or Quake. If you want them for music, or accuracy, then listen to whatever music you like best, and pick speakers based on that.

That being said, here is my recommendation.

I recently auditioned about 15 sets of speakers, and from the ones mentioned so far this is what I think:

Creative is known for doing things well, but never exceptionally. The Live! series of sound cards are very compatible, have good driver upgrades, and are supported very widely, unfortunately they don't do anything BEST. This should be considered with Creative's speakers. Driver support, upgrades, and compatibility are unimportant, and the FPS line of speakers proves this with their mediocre sound quality. They are also not constructed very well. Avoid them at all costs.

Altec Lansing has been making multimedia speakers for a long time, arguably with the widest array of products in this field. Since they have this experience, they have some pretty good speakers as well. Unfortunately they aren't really involved in high end audio so they don't have the same research and development of other companies. HOWEVER, under $100, the ACS54 speakers are hands down, the BEST sounding set out there. I bought these over any other <$100 speaker set available, about 3 weeks ago.

Boston Acoustics has been making home theatre products for a long time and their R&amp;D is second to none as far as multimedia speakers goes. Their product line is proof they are one of the best in the industry and their BA4800 speakers are one of my favorites you can buy. Great clean bass, crisp clear highs, and beautiful midrange to make this the total package. Bestbuy.com has them for $139, not sure on shipping, but apparently outpost has these for $150 shipped. Spend the extra money if you can.

I'm really reluctant to post anything about Klipsch. These are some of the most overrated pieces of hardware you can buy. For $250 you can buy something much nicer at a much lower price, such as the Bostons. I even prefer the ACS54's at $80 over these at nearly 3.5x times the cost. The bass is boomy, not clean, the highs are very clear and crisp indeed, but they're so loud that their stereo separation is terrible. Midrange? You might as well forget listening to music on these. It isn't even present. As such, the imaging of the system isn't very good. Construction is cheap for a $250 set. Don't buy these, they aren't worth it.

Digital vs. analog output, the only real difference here is the signal-to-noise ratio. In other words, when you have nothing playing through your system or the music is at a very quiet part. The digital output will yield less 'hiss' or noise and will overall, make the system much nicer to listen to.

divinemartyr
 

Insane3D

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Ahhh...another person talking bad about the Klipsch....more inaccurate statements....


&quot;The bass is boomy, not clean&quot;....WRONG

&quot;highs are very clear and crisp indeed, but they're so loud that their stereo separation is terrible&quot;...WRONG AGAIN

&quot;Midrange? You might as well forget listening to music on these. It isn't even present.....WRONG, once again

&quot;As such, the imaging of the system isn't very good. Construction is cheap for a $250 set.&quot;...WRONG, you are getting in the habit of making false statements.

All this is a moot point anyway, the Klipsch is out of his price range anyway. If you are going to bash a speaker set you don't like, you should try to back it up with some facts. It's funny how the people who prefer the BA4800's like to bash the Klipsch....

I guess that's why when 3DSoundsurge reviewed the top end 4.1 speaker sets of the Klipsch and Videologic Crossfires, the Klipsch were barely beat out by the much more expensive Videologics. They must have just made all that up comparing those Klipsch crap to the Videologics.
 

Maverick

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divinemartyr:

what sound card did you use for your basis of comparison?
I'm guessing it was a Creative card since you didn't mention anything else.
You stated the Creative SB Live! line of cards don't do anything &quot;BEST&quot;.

I've heard the analog hiss is gone when the Live! is replaced with a Philips AE since it is a higher fidelity card.
I've also heard that the Philips AE makes the Klipsch sound unbelievable. For someone who presents himself as an audiophile, its interesting to see that you prefer digital sound over analog. But I digress.

As far as your statements about the Klipsch PMs go,
you say that a THX certified system like the Klipsch PMs is worse than an 80 dollar speaker system.
I can't testify since I haven't heard either one, but logically your statements seem biased and even laughable when it is clear that THX certification is very difficult to obtain and there are so many glowing reviews out there for the system.

Again, I have not heard either system...but I felt the need to somewhat defend the multimedia sound community that has embraced the Klipsch PMs.

 

divinemartyr

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Oct 18, 2000
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THX certification is all relative and is based on many things, generally not what they sound like though. It's more a measure of noise level, frequency response (this is a statistic given by the manufacturer), and a few other things. It's a great marketing tool but as far as actual real-world testing, the standards by which multimedia speakers are judged is NOT the same as home theatre, movie theatre, or any other THX specification. Multimedia speakers have their own specification. Since Klipsch are definitely one of the best sounding speakers among multimedia speakers, of course they have this certification, there isn't a whole lot to compare it up against, and who's to say Boston, or any other company has TRIED to get the certification? It isn't just awarded, you have to ask for it. Here is some more information on THX multimedia certification:

http://www.thx.com/consumer_products/mm.html

As you can see, Alter Lansing now also has a THX certified speaker set with the ADA885's.

My first real question though is that, if you haven't heard either one of these systems, how are you arguing this point with me? heh.. I mean, sure the Klipsch have a couple advantages over the ACS54's. Let me tell you what they are. Number one, they're louder. Number two, they handle more power. Number three, they have a LOT more bass.

My statements were merely a recommendation on which is a more rounded system. When you listen to music, the thing that makes music sound &quot;warm&quot; is the midbass and a speaker's ability to reproduce it. Highs and lows are important, but to balance it out and round out the sound, midbass is extremely important. The Klipsch ProMedia's have horn tweeters and a huge woofer (8&quot; is very large by Multimedia standards) to reproduce the sounds. The 3 1/2&quot; woofer that they have just isn't enough to overpower the powerful tractile horn-loaded driver. Generally an 8&quot; woofer could reproduce decent midbass, however, in this case it is used as a subwoofer and is built in a ported cabinet appropriately, and is only tuned for low bass. Horn tweeters are great for anything above 5khz. The problem lies in your frequencies above 150hz (properly tuned subwoofers will even be tuned to cut off much lower than this approximately 80hz) but for argument's sake, let's say the Klipsch is tuned from 25 or 30 cycles (25-30hz) up to 150hz. This is probably the largest frequency range this speaker could handle. The problem is, where are your frequencies from 150-5000 hz being produced at? That 3 1/2&quot; speaker. The horn tweeter is simply too overpowering for my tastes, some would disagree. Typical multimedia speaker configurations have a tweeter as opposed to a horn, a mid-range driver (3 1/2 to 5 1/4 inches) and a subwoofer (5 1/4 to 8&quot. The Klipsch is unfortunately lacking a nice &quot;warm&quot; sound, at least from what I am used to. Again, some would disagree.

The reason I prefer digital output, versus analog, is the fact that I've tried both. I personally don't use multimedia speakers and output my sound to my home theatre. My choices are either 1/8 -> RCA plug or an optical connection which is directly on my soundcard. The optical plug produces a more natural flat response, and 1/8&quot; connectors just aren't good for high-fidelity sound. They are adequate for most multimedia setups but not for a true hi-fi connection.

I've tested the promedia's on a couple of different sound cards, not only the Live! series, however, I have not had a chance to use the Philips card. If I can get Boston Acoustics speakers to sound awesome on another card that the ProMedia's do NOT sound good on, that tells me if the PM's sound good on the Philips card, the Bostons will only sound that much better. I still can't see how the PM's will sound good, merely by changing the sound card, this is a speaker driver issue, not a soundcard issue.

divinemartyr
 

Imported

Lifer
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How about The Cambridge Soundworks Microworks? They're pretty nice for the 2 satellites/1 sub.
 

divinemartyr

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<< &quot;The bass is boomy, not clean&quot;....WRONG >>



First of all this is an opinion of mine. When I think of clean bass, I want it to hit hard, and tight. Klipsch speakers, again, in MY OPINION, do not do this. How am I WRONG? I cannot be WRONG on an opinion.



<< &quot;highs are very clear and crisp indeed, but they're so loud that their stereo separation is terrible&quot;...WRONG AGAIN >>



You know, I'd like for you to tell us what your definition of stereo separation is, because again, this is an OPINION of mine, how am I WRONG on an OPINION?



<< &quot;Midrange? You might as well forget listening to music on these. It isn't even present.....WRONG, once again >>



For people who like well rounded music and appreciate the quality of horn-loaded drivers, anyone who knows anything about them, KNOWS you need a good supporting mid-range. While your friends over at 3d sound surge have reviewed this product as one of their highest-rated speakers, and I don't disagree that these are GREAT in comparison to other multimedia speakers, they simply are not $250 speakers IN MY OPINION. There you go again, saying what I've said is wrong, when it's impossible for an OPINION to be wrong.



<< &quot;As such, the imaging of the system isn't very good. Construction is cheap for a $250 set.&quot;...WRONG, you are getting in the habit of making false statements. >>



Now you're getting into personal accusations, I'll say it one more time, for having an OPINION. I don't know WHY you are so upset about my personal feeling about these speakers, unless of course you designed them, then I might understand. Even then however, you should be able to accept constructive criticism.

My whole point with saying these speakers are cheaply made, is that the plastic doesn't seem as heavy as some other sets, and the speaker grille material would tear rather easily, if you weren't careful. Oh, and again, it's an opinion on the construction issue. I guess you're really not understanding that these statements of mine are just opinions, so please stop saying I'm wrong, because I'm not, I'm merely opinionated.

divinemartyr
 

smp

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too many replies.. I didn't read any of them.. just spend a couple of grand on a home stereo system (unless you already have one) and hook that baby up to your comp.. bingo.. super sound, much better than any mini speakers can do.. I stand firm.
 

dszd0g

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Jun 14, 2000
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Those of you that are experiencing a lot of hiss on your SB Live! have you tried right clicking on your volume icon in your taskbar. Open Volume Control. Select Options->Properties. Click Playback and check all the boxes. Then procede to mute all the ones you don't use.

It makes a huge difference on my SB Live! Platinum. It doesn't get rid of all the hiss, but it gets rid of most of it.
 

cmaMath13

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I just picked up the Altec ACS54 for $59.99 and free overnight shipping at Outpost.com! I went to Best Buy and compared a ton of speakers; everything from some cheap Yamahas all the way up to the Klipsh. I liked the Altec ACS54's the best for my price range (Under $100). I am super happy about getting them for only $60. I feel it is a very good deal.

Thanks for all of you suggestions and help.
 

Huma

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Oct 10, 1999
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Boy, I thought I was the only one who didn't like the klipsch 4.1's as much as everyone else did.

I found the bass to be too boomy, and while the speakers were really clear for highs, the mids did seem weak. And you had to crank them to get the balance between bass and mids/highs close to right.

But that's just me.
 

Turin39789

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I figure i'll probably get spammed for this, but oh well
its just my opinon
I just bought some acs54 speakers on sale at sams because i like the idea of 4 speakers and i had read good reviews, unfortunately, they have about a tenth of the base i get from my generic BOKA speakers that cost 40 bucks[sub and 2 sattelites(both sattelites are two stacked swiveling speakers)]. The bass is clean on the boka's unless i crank it all the way up and then it shakes the concrete walls in my dorm. I dont know if anyone else has heard thes speakers, i'd like your opinion so i'll know how skewed i am
 

cmaMath13

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I ordered the speakers 8PM last night and I got them at NOON today! I can't believe it; no shipping charge!

I agree that the bass is not real powerful, but for $60! Plus, I have a baby boy, so I can't really crank'em up.

Thanks for all of your help.
 

Wingznut

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I hear ya, cmaMath! I have two young boys, so I hardly get to crank up my speakers.

People ask why I don't have a kick-@ss home theatre setup... Hell, I'd never be able to use it!
 

Fisher999

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&quot;Rock your socks off&quot; style- Klipsch Pro Medias

&quot;I like Natural sound&quot; style- Boston Acoustics BA-4800

&quot;I want a nice trade-off of the above two and don't need anything more than a 3-piece set&quot; style- Cambridge Soundworks &quot;Microworks&quot; (Yes, they still have some of these kick a** babies in stock for around $120 over here in black or beige!
 
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