Speculation on Ryzen Overclocking

[IEC]

Optimistic because?

1700 has 3.0Ghz Base clock and we know for a fact it cocks to 4.1Ghz
1800X has 3.6Ghz Base clock and somehow 4.5Ghz is supposed to be impossible?

How about 4.5Ghz likely, and golden samples will likely reach 4.8Ghz all core on air.

Because you are talking about dissipating maybe 200W of heat in a die size of 192mm^2. Doesn't seem likely you will get good results with air, and all-core turbo on Broadwell-E was similarly difficult to push past 4.2GHz-ish. Also, your motherboard will need to be up to the power delivery requirements. So far only the Asus C6H (which I have ordered) has been confirmed to maximize OC results... and that was on a 1700, not a 1800X.

I'm building a custom WC loop so we will see if extreme cooling will take the heat dissipation factor out of the equation.

 

[IEC]

Here's the exact quote from Gibbo from OCUK:

We just tested a 1700, it hit 4.0GHz stable in everything, but ONLY in the Crosshair mainboard, the lower-end boards it was hovering around 3.80GHz as the VRM’s were cooking with extra voltage. It however was maxing around 4050MHz, so I’d say 1700 can do 3.9-4.1GHz, of course the 1800X will probably do 4.1-4.3 as no doubt better binned, but if your clocking the motherboard has a big impact on the overclock and so far Asus Crosshair and Asrock Taichi seem the best two.

Granted, the 1700 would theoretically be the hardest bin to overclock if internet theorycrafting is to be believed re: binning for 65W TDP, but I would be surprised if the 1800X hits much north of 4.5GHz on all cores... if even that.

Of course, that will not stop me from trying.

 

[FIVR]

That reddit amd board is a hive of scum and villainy. I would never trust them on anything.


I think people should wait until a reputable source comes up with overclocks, like CPC. I'm sure you do need a high quality board and a good cooler to reach 4.5Ghz but I would be willing to bet good money it will hit 4.5Ghz on air.

 

[lolfail9001]

1700 has 3.0Ghz Base clock and we know for a fact it cocks to 4.1Ghz
1800X has 3.6Ghz Base clock and somehow 4.5Ghz is supposed to be impossible?

i5-6400 has 2.7Ghz base clock and can clock to 4.9Ghz on golden samples on AIO.
i5-6600k has 3.6Ghz (or was that 3.5?) base clock. Does it clock to 5.3Ghz on even golden samples?

They have 600mhz difference in base clock and 30W difference in TDP. You must not have much knowledge about this topic?

Enough knowledge to understand that it means that they are not binned. Now if the difference was 10W or 50W then you would have a point. But 30W just lands "just" right.
Eh, whatever, we'll see in a little, time to mod my case to fit in proper intake fan.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

lolfail9001 how much experience do you have on this topic... your post is non-sensical. Of course they are binned. They have 600mhz difference in base clock and 30W difference in TDP. You must not have much knowledge about this topic?

To be fair, binning is an assumption. It was never stated by amd as far as I know.

 

[unseenmorbidity]

AMD Ryzen Master Overclocking Utility detailed


Ryzen is only a week away from launch, but we're still getting a lot of information regarding AMD's upcoming architecture. The latest news comes from YouTuber The Tech Chap. He has shared an image of AMD's new overclocking utility, Ryzen Master, showing many of the software's features.

Ryzen Master will be a part of the AMD Settings panel, which is part of AMD's driver suite. Looking at the image, Ryzen Master will offer a variety of overclocking features for hardware enthusiasts, including:

• • Per-core clock adjustment
• • CPU Voltage Adjustment
• • The ability to disable cores (choice of 0, 2, 4 or 6 cores)
• • MEM VDDIO Voltage Adjustment
• • MEM VTT Voltage Adjustment
• • VDDCR SOC (PCH) Voltage Adjustment
• • CAS Latency Adjustment
• • Row Precharge Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • RAS Active Time (36 bus clock at standard)
• • Read Row-Column Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • White Row-Column Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • The ability to save up to four custom profiles

Looking at the image, it seems you can set clock speeds at a minimum of 3.0 GHz, and a maximum of 6.375 GHz. It's rumored that with Non-X Ryzen CPUs, the step size can be set at 25 ~ 50 MHz, while X-series chips can be set at 100 MHz ~ 200 MHz. This is yet to be confirmed, though.

These are just the options in the Ryzen Master control panel. Of course, the software utility also features a stylish speedometer showing peak speeds of your Ryzen chip, as well as CPU temperature.

Compared to AMD's current overclocking utility, Overdrive, Ryzen Master seems a lot more refined. Sporting a very sleek UI, Ryzen Master will likely be a great competitor to Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility.

Overdrive, AMD's current overclocking utility

There are some features that might be missing, though, including fan control, and integrated benchmarks and stability tests, both of which are included with AMD Overdrive. Auto overclocking seems to be missing, too. It's possible that this feature is limited to X-series CPUs with AMD's Extended Frequency Range (XFR), though.

Of course, we haven't seen everything about Ryzen Master quite yet. There are the Speed and Temperature tabs which haven't been shown as of yet, so perhaps the missing features can be found there.

Ryzen will launch on the 2nd of March.

 

[Face2Face]

That reddit amd board is a hive of scum and villainy. I would never trust them on anything.


I think people should wait until a reputable source comes up with overclocks, like CPC. I'm sure you do need a high quality board and a good cooler to reach 4.5Ghz but I would be willing to bet good money it will hit 4.5Ghz on air.

It's Gibbo and 8 Pack from OCUK making these claims, not scum or evil-doers... these guys are legit.

 

[moonbogg]

Well, if these chips fall apart just past 4ghz, then they won't be for me. I don't want to be on the ragged edge of 4ghz stability with overheating VRMs and 1.5 volts to the CPU or something crazy like that. Based on the comments about the OC results so far, it doesn't look too good. Maybe that's why they didn't mention OC results? If all this is true, then the best 8 core CPU is still the 5960x Haswell I think.

 

[french toast]

Well, if these chips fall apart just past 4ghz, then they won't be for me. I don't want to be on the ragged edge of 4ghz stability with overheating VRMs and 1.5 volts to the CPU or something crazy like that. Based on the comments about the OC results so far, it doesn't look too good. Maybe that's why they didn't mention OC results? If all this is true, then the best 8 core CPU is still the 5960x Haswell I think.

we just don't know yet, 5960x retails for 900$ vs 499$ r7 1800x, how can that even be compared?

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Optimistic because?



1700 has 3.0Ghz Base clock and we know for a fact it cocks to 4.1Ghz
1800X has 3.6Ghz Base clock and somehow 4.5Ghz is supposed to be impossible?


How about 4.5Ghz likely, and golden samples will likely reach 4.8Ghz all core on air.

You do realise that 1700 is no different to the 1800x @ 95w TDP, right?
Its marketed at 65w TDP only because they've reduced the base clock.

Your logic seems to be that because its base clock is set higher then it will automatically OC higher. There is no evidence to support this.

The 1700x and 1800x may be binned differently, but there's nothing to support the idea that the 1700 couldn't have come from higher yields than forecast. 1700 is the value bet precisely because of this.

Once the reviews start coming in, only then can the true position of the 1700 be found.

 

[psolord]

Guys maybe AMD has instructed motherboard makers, to hold off overclocking in their BIOSes until launch.

So you know, even if the knife is deep enough, they want to also twist it.

I remember that every time they had something good, they were very very sneaky.

 

[lolfail9001]

I remember that every time they had something good, they were very very sneaky.

By this criteria Ryzen is pretty bad, you could compile a comprehensive performance review 2 weeks before launch.

 

[The Stilt]

Looking at the image, it seems you can set clock speeds at a minimum of 3.0 GHz, and a maximum of 6.375 GHz. It's rumored that with Non-X Ryzen CPUs, the step size can be set at 25 ~ 50 MHz, while X-series chips can be set at 100 MHz ~ 200 MHz. This is yet to be confirmed, though.

These are just the options in the Ryzen Master control panel. Of course, the software utility also features a stylish speedometer showing peak speeds of your Ryzen chip, as well as CPU temperature.

Compared to AMD's current overclocking utility, Overdrive, Ryzen Master seems a lot more refined. Sporting a very sleek UI, Ryzen Master will likely be a great competitor to Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility.

Overdrive, AMD's current overclocking utility

There are some features that might be missing, though, including fan control, and integrated benchmarks and stability tests, both of which are included with AMD Overdrive. Auto overclocking seems to be missing, too. It's possible that this feature is limited to X-series CPUs with AMD's Extended Frequency Range (XFR), though.

Of course, we haven't seen everything about Ryzen Master quite yet. There are the Speed and Temperature tabs which haven't been shown as of yet, so perhaps the missing features can be found there.

Ryzen will launch on the 2nd of March.

All Ryzen CPUs have adjustment granulaty of 25MHz as it is a feature of the core itself.
Features such as fan control, memory voltage or voltage offset adjustments cannot easily be supported since they are motherboard specific features.
Only features related directly to the CPU itself can be adjusted with a generic software.

 

[psolord]

2 weeks before launch is enough sneakiness. Still there are many things we don't really know.

For example can you tell me how its cpu usage (and ultimately its performance) is on Deus Ex, Watchdogs2, Ghost Recon Wildlands?

How about GTA IV and Blizzards games that are primarily ST dependent?

How much does it OC?

What kind of single core speed the cpu reaches in ST dependent games?

What kind of 3dmark API Overhead score does it have?

Does it work well with Unreal Engine 4 games, which eat cpu for breakfast? How about Cry Engine 3? What kind of performance are we getting from the AVX executable of Grid Autosport?

How close are the 4C/8T, 6C/12T compared to the 8C/16T in gaming?

Do we even have a valid CPU AoTS score?

Is storage fast enough? Does the chipset work well?

Can I actually play a game while doing other heavy work in the background?

All we know is Cinebench, CPUz, Handbrake and some other synthetics. 3Dmark cpu score does not say much, because my i7-860 and 2500k are tied in their max clocks, yet the 2500k is faster in most older games and tied in most newer.

Personally I have many questions that the leaks do not answer.

 

[lolfail9001]

For example can you tell me how its cpu usage (and ultimately its performance) is on Deus Ex, Watchdogs2, Ghost Recon Wildlands?

~6900k at similar clocks.

How about GTA IV and Blizzards games that are primarily ST dependent?

~6900k at similar clocks.

How much does it OC?

~4Ghz on all cores on AIO is pushing it. At least that's what i expect.

What kind of single core speed the cpu reaches in ST dependent games?

SCT

What kind of 3dmark API Overhead score does it have?

This one is tricky, i admit. It is not realistic though, i am more curious about that demo a fellow is compiling results of.

Does it work well with Unreal Engine 4 games, which eat cpu for breakfast? How about Cry Engine 3?

~6900k at similar clocks.

What kind of performance are we getting from the AVX executable of Grid Autosport?

6900k with turned off power management at similar clocks.

Do we even have a valid CPU AoTS score?

Only of first ES.

Can I actually play a game while doing other heavy work in the background?

Even FXs were good for that.

Is storage fast enough? Does the chipset work well?

Define "enough" and "well".

Personally I have many questions that the leaks do not answer.

Means you were not looking attentively. You are right tho, there is plenty of hard numbers to be released still.

 

[psolord]

Well you place too much trust in that the 8c/16t Ryzen will be so much alike the 6900k.

Trust me I wish it to be like that, since I want one. But what the 6900k can do, does not automatically mean the 1700 will be able to do as well. They are not the same cpu.

Anyway we'll see I guess.

 

[Face2Face]

Some info on memory support:

Also speaking about the memory support, because that is still a concern of many, here’s a statement from ASUS published by Gibbo from OCUK:

I’ve decided to provide some recommendations on DDR4 limitations concerning AM4 currently.

As it stands the AMD code has restricted RAM tuning options which means many RAM kits at launch will not be compatible. This is the same for our competitors also.
What we recommend is the following:
If fully populating a system with 4 DIMMs (2DPC), use memory up to a max of 2400MHz.
If using 1DPC (2 DIMMs) ensure they are installed in A2/B2 and use memory up to max of 3200MHz.

The indication I have received from HQ is that AMD has focused all their efforts on CPU performance so far and will release updated code in 1~2 months when we expect improved DDR4 compatibility and performance.”
In short if filling all 4 DIMM’s set your speed to 2400MHz and work up from there.
If using 2 DIMM’s put them in the A2/B2 slots and a max of 3200MHz should be possible.

In our testing only the Crosshair board achieved 3000-3200MHz, the others were in the 2400-2666MHz range.

BIOS updates will come!

https://videocardz.com/66369/psa-amd-b350-motherboards-do-not-support-sli#disqus_thread

 

[coffeemonster]

ASRock PCBs are generally so thin that they almost flap in the breeze.

Generally only high-end boards use >= 6-layer PCBs.

Stilt,
What's your opinion of Biostar and their build quality/reliability?

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

The indication I have received from HQ is that AMD has focused all their efforts on CPU performance so far and will release updated code in 1~2 months when we expect improved DDR4 compatibility and performance.

Sounds like AMD lol. Nothing works properly on day 1.

Threadcrapping is not allowed
Markfw
Anandtech Moderator

 

[krumme]

AMD Ryzen Master Overclocking Utility detailed


Ryzen is only a week away from launch, but we're still getting a lot of information regarding AMD's upcoming architecture. The latest news comes from YouTuber The Tech Chap. He has shared an image of AMD's new overclocking utility, Ryzen Master, showing many of the software's features.

Ryzen Master will be a part of the AMD Settings panel, which is part of AMD's driver suite. Looking at the image, Ryzen Master will offer a variety of overclocking features for hardware enthusiasts, including:

• • Per-core clock adjustment
• • CPU Voltage Adjustment
• • The ability to disable cores (choice of 0, 2, 4 or 6 cores)
• • MEM VDDIO Voltage Adjustment
• • MEM VTT Voltage Adjustment
• • VDDCR SOC (PCH) Voltage Adjustment
• • CAS Latency Adjustment
• • Row Precharge Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • RAS Active Time (36 bus clock at standard)
• • Read Row-Column Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • White Row-Column Delay (15 bus clock at standard)
• • The ability to save up to four custom profiles

Looking at the image, it seems you can set clock speeds at a minimum of 3.0 GHz, and a maximum of 6.375 GHz. It's rumored that with Non-X Ryzen CPUs, the step size can be set at 25 ~ 50 MHz, while X-series chips can be set at 100 MHz ~ 200 MHz. This is yet to be confirmed, though.

These are just the options in the Ryzen Master control panel. Of course, the software utility also features a stylish speedometer showing peak speeds of your Ryzen chip, as well as CPU temperature.

Compared to AMD's current overclocking utility, Overdrive, Ryzen Master seems a lot more refined. Sporting a very sleek UI, Ryzen Master will likely be a great competitor to Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility.

Overdrive, AMD's current overclocking utility

There are some features that might be missing, though, including fan control, and integrated benchmarks and stability tests, both of which are included with AMD Overdrive. Auto overclocking seems to be missing, too. It's possible that this feature is limited to X-series CPUs with AMD's Extended Frequency Range (XFR), though.

Of course, we haven't seen everything about Ryzen Master quite yet. There are the Speed and Temperature tabs which haven't been shown as of yet, so perhaps the missing features can be found there.

Ryzen will launch on the 2nd of March.

My overclocking experience started by physically soldering new crystal to my 386sx 16MHz.
Do i have to repeat how insanely good this tool looks?
I preordered a non x 1700. I want about two threads working at 4 or preferably 4.2 GHz. For the rest it can be far more relaxed at 3.6 or even lower for 2 of the cores. To save power. I dont want to pass 150w.
This tool is just a God sent present for us enthusiast. Fantastic also for playing and having fun.

 

[krumme]

Sounds like AMD lol. Nothing works properly on day 1.

Mehh. I bought a haswell mb day one and it was a mess to get started also. But yeaa. Desktop is a pipecleaner for servers and this is a immature product. But compared to the nas and routers i buy is still more like 5 year old end of life product with no errors.

 

[FIVR]

4.5Ghz on air will be typical. Calling it now.


Concern trolls fire away with your "nehalem level" BS, I'll wait for reviews to confirm my suspicions instead of taking the word of /r/The_Donald on CPUs ^^

 

[sirmo]

I don't know if you've guys have seen this.. this is the Lucky_n00b (extreme overclocker):

 

[Face2Face]

I don't know if you've guys have seen this.. this is the Lucky_n00b (extreme overclocker):

From all of the press unboxings I've seen most of the press got the Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 and Corsair 3000/3200Mhz memory. That board supports 3200Mhz memory, so that's expected. What Gibbo was saying from OCUK, is that all of the boards he's tried he wasn't able to get 3000Mhz+ from any except the ASUS Hero, which also supports 3200Mhz modules. The ASUS Pro for example could only go up to 2666MHz, as it states on the spec sheet. The positive thing is, they may be able to support higher memory frequencies with future BIOS updates? I'm sure they'll get the 2400Mhz fully popluated issue fixed as well. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ryzen-ddr4-memory-what-you-need-to-know.18770248/

On AMD we have AMP profiles.

http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/amp

 

[arandomguy]

Memory speed would be dependent on the memory, IMC and motherboard. Some boards, typically higher end, incorporate elements in their design to help memory stability. An example of this is more layers. Adjusting voltage and timing also affects what is an achievable speed.

What I'm interested in is what is achievable on XMP/AMP stock settings (so no added voltage or timing tweaking) on mainstream boards (so around $150) and how overclocking will affect that with 2 DIMM.