we just don't know yet, 5960x retails for 900$ vs 499$ r7 1800x, how can that even be compared?
The interesting comparisons will be when using price ranges, 1800x is really competing against i7 6850 6/12, (its actually cheaper)Not comparable indeed, even less if we talk about productivity and people who don't overclock at all who will go for highest stock performance, were 1800X, maybe even 1800 overtake the 5960 or 6900K.
Not on all apps tough, I'm still waiting for reviews and were Zen stands with AVX loads, for how limited in use they are the increase are great tough.
That sounds like a psychological requirement if you want > 4.2 Ghz. Looks like you've extracted good value from the i7 930 as it is but the IPC of new chips whip Nehalem out of the park. Anyway, fewer cores are only likely to clock higher because the thermals will be easier to manage.
Stilt,
What's your opinion of Biostar and their build quality/reliability?
Its a psychological requirement alright my OCD would go insane if i built a system with a slower clock speed 7 years later lol.
But it appears we will have per core clocking ability so boosting the best 2 cores you have to 4.5Ghz may be the best option while leaving the rest at 3.5 or so.
My thoughts exactly, ive put this request into fottemberg and adored tv to test, they said they would look into it.Its a psychological requirement alright my OCD would go insane if i built a system with a slower clock speed 7 years later lol.
But it appears we will have per core clocking ability so boosting the best 2 cores you have to 4.5Ghz may be the best option while leaving the rest at 3.5 or so.
From all of the press unboxings I've seen most of the press got the Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 and Corsair 3000/3200Mhz memory. That board supports 3200Mhz memory, so that's expected. What Gibbo was saying from OCUK, is that all of the boards he's tried he wasn't able to get 3000Mhz+ from any except the ASUS Hero, which also supports 3200Mhz modules. The ASUS Pro for example could only go up to 2666MHz, as it states on the spec sheet. The positive thing is, they may be able to support higher memory frequencies with future BIOS updates? I'm sure they'll get the 2400Mhz fully popluated issue fixed as well. I wouldn't be too worried about it.
Really? I got two sets of MSI Z87-GD65 + 4770K on launch day at MicroCenter and haven't had any problems with it.Mehh. I bought a haswell mb day one and it was a mess to get started also. But yeaa. Desktop is a pipecleaner for servers and this is a immature product. But compared to the nas and routers i buy is still more like 5 year old end of life product with no errors.
we just don't know yet, 5960x retails for 900$ vs 499$ r7 1800x, how can that even be compared?
Note it somewhere;
Editors of the one of the most influential hardware website of Turkey who benchmarks 1800x states that "Overclock is no problem at all. Though we can not say a certain frequency due to NDA, I can say that it is impressive.". Also in somewhere else of their livestream one of the guys stated that "In some benchmarks AMD(!). It seems ironical yes but AMD is presenting a CPU performance that Intel can not keep up with even with their 10 core 6950x!"
This is the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKmeCdB914
To sum up the things he stated;
"Overclock is no problem at all. Though we can not say a certain frequency due to NDA, I can say that it is impressive. Overclockers will be happy."
"I have friends from AMD Engineering department due to my experience in the hardware industry. Zen 2 or Zen B will be even more competitive. So we can say that Intel shall brood on the future"
"With our overclocked 1800x sample,under Noctua cooler given by AMD, we have passed beyond the stock single thread performance of 7700k, in a specific bench, and the temps were great. We had no concern about temps during our run which passes the ST performance of 7700k."
"In some benchmarks AMD(!). It seems ironical yes but AMD is presenting a CPU performance that Intel can not keep up with even with their 10 core 6950x!"
"Breaking NDA won't be a problem since the scores are beyond fantastic. But we will stick with the tradition."
"With one click I can reach great OC's. So I won't really bother with the manual OC no more."
"Single thread score will be so great. According to this performance we can say that 7700K will be history, even for gaming, from now on" he said.
"Intel shall shake themself. Because Ryzen will be a great choice for Overclock enthusiast."
Ahh he also stated that there is auto overclocking feature. "With one click I can reach great OC's. So I won't really bother with the manual OC no more."
"Single thread score will be so great. According to this performance we can say that 7700K will be history, even for gaming, from now on" he said.
"Intel shall shake themself. Because Ryzen will be a great choice for Overclock enthusiast."
Context makes a huge difference .The reason I said that is because if the clock speed isn't high enough, the per core performance will not be good enough to justify me upgrading to it, at any cost. If adequate performance improvement is not there compared to a 4.6ghz 3930k, then the price doesn't matter. The CPU could be free and I wouldn't bother going through the work of ripping my rig all apart. The performance has to be there. A 4.6ghz 3930k is no joke, and if Ryzen craps out at 4ghz, then that's a 600mhz clock speed deficit that eats away a significant portion of the IPC improvement. It won't be worth it regardless of price coming from where I am now. If I had a lesser chip, then yeah, it would be worth it. The problem is, Sandybridge was REALLY damn good, and when you got 6 cores/12 threads at 4.6ghz, its not easy to find a fully legit upgrade to that.
Not to mention, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, right? My rig is solid and working fantastic. Its a risk going to such a new platform, not to mention preordering and taking such a gamble. I have schoolwork I do on my rig as well as just gaming. I need it to work. If I go to build the thing and I run into an unforeseen compatibility issue and need to wait for new parts to come in, or god forbid a BIOS update, then I am screwed. I wanted to preorder, but for me, its good the 1800x ran out of stock. I have to wait to see if these things work and hear form real users.
^ Come on man, that's not nice. You are going to break my tender little heart if this isn't true. This is the final thing that would make this whole Ryzen release simply too good to be true. If they are OC champs and get anywhere near stock 7700k single thread, then that's a complete knockout blow. That's a one punch fight that ends before it starts.
Note it somewhere;
Editors of the one of the most influential hardware website of Turkey who benchmarks 1800x states that "Overclock is no problem at all. Though we can not say a certain frequency due to NDA, I can say that it is impressive.". Also in somewhere else of their livestream one of the guys stated that "In some benchmarks AMD(!). It seems ironical yes but AMD is presenting a CPU performance that Intel can not keep up with even with their 10 core 6950x!"
Looks like Gibbo did something wrong.
Gigabyte motherboard going above 3000MHz
http://i.imgur.com/nR4nIIl.png
memory overclocking shouldn't be a problem either
Here is the Alexa link for the website of the Turkish leak I mentioned before;
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/donanimhaber.com
- 34th most popular website in Turkey
- 1680th most popular website in the world
2 modules is fine by me. That gets me 16gb. That's pretty much the new gaming standard these days, right? Haven't bought memory for 5 years so I'm a little rusty there.
That's roughly what they say in the video. But I would like to clear up some things.
I don't think he says he won't bother with manual oc anymore. He says "I can reach a fairly nice overclock with one click. You don't need to bother with manual OC"
He explicitly states that SC performance is still behind 7700K, but with OC and in one specific test it passes even 7700K in single core performance.
He also says with OC, the CPU has simply no competition and that not even 10 core 6950x can keep up with the Ryzen when OC'ed.
The thing I am worrying about is that there is some kind of hardware issue on the first set of boards that needs to be revised.Yes, there's this post I've read somewhere stating that AMD went all in with getting CPU performance right and that they'd take care of the memory side of things the next month or two. I can't remember where I read it, if I find it again I'll add it to this post.
Basically a few BIOS updates down the road should take care of everything, this is a fresh out of the oven platform after all, that's supposed to last at least into 2020
The thing I am worrying about is that there is some kind of hardware issue on the first set of boards that needs to be revised.
It's translated, bound to have a little error here or there, but mostly accurate. Have a look at the respective reddit thread
And it's getting more upvotes by the second.
Now i smell BS, because now it definitely sounds like he is comparing it to weakened baselines.memory overclocking shouldn't be a problem either
Ok, that matches what we know...He says that "In a specific test it outperforms stock 7700k in single threaded benchmark. But in general single threaded workloadwise it is just a little bit behind 7700k"
Definitely sounds like he is comparing it to stock CPUs only because well, otherwise he claims that his sample approaches LN2 frequencies on air. Granted, the problem with Zen OC looks to be VRM cooling.For the 6950x the exact thing they said; "You are OC'ing your Ryzen 1800x Via Auto Overclock, and then there is no Intel chips that can keep up with it."