Question Speculation: RDNA3 + CDNA2 Architectures Thread

[uzzi38]

Man I have been dying to make this one for a while now.

First rumours for RDNA3 are here so new thread time!

Just going to start off with this one for now: kopite7kimi on Twitter: "@VideoCardz Ah, I mean a simple mcm design with 10240 cores is not enough. Because the lift from RDNA2 to RDNA3 is much bigger than from RDNA1 to RDNA2. We should expect many big improvements in GFX11. 🤔" / Twitter

 

[Ranulf]

How many of these cards from either brand will truly be the MSRP and for how long? The first few weeks and then the more expensive models are the only ones in stock? Maybe the market will adjust in 3-6 months when stuff is sitting on the shelves.

 

[Heartbreaker]

How many of these cards from either brand will truly be the MSRP and for how long? The first few weeks and then the more expensive models are the only ones in stock? Maybe the market will adjust in 3-6 months when stuff is sitting on the shelves.

People said that for the 4070 Ti, then the 4070, it wasn't an issue either time, so it probably shouldn't be an issue for the 4060 either.

 

[Aapje]

It's gonna have to be $250 I think. That 50 bucks is a huge deal.

Especially since you can already get a 6650 XT at Newegg for $260. So who is going to buy a $300 7600 that is barely any faster?

 

[jpiniero]

Especially since you can already get a 6650 XT at Newegg for $260. So who is going to buy a $300 7600 that is barely any faster?

Presumably at some point RDNA2's supply will be wiped out. The question is when.

 

[linkgoron]

I don't understand why anyone would expect miracles from Navi 33. It's on an older process, using an already unconvincing architecture. The only thing that AMD can surprise us is with the price.

 

[Aapje]

Presumably at some point RDNA2's supply will be wiped out. The question is when.

Yes, but then they still need to provide equal or better value or the people who didn't already consider the 6650 XT a good upgrade aren't going to go for the 7600 either.

 

[beginner99]

Presumably at some point RDNA2's supply will be wiped out. The question is when.

And also used market. At that price "risking" buying a used gpu makes a lot of sense to save another $50-$100

 

[Timorous]

I don't understand why anyone would expect miracles from Navi 33. It's on an older process, using an already unconvincing architecture. The only thing that AMD can surprise us is with the price.

What is your definition of a miracle?

 

[coercitiv]

What is your definition of a miracle?

At this point? A new gen card that offers a generational leap in performance while maintaining a good value proposition, with a sprinkle of future proofing on top.

 

[PJVol]

A new gen card that offers a generational leap in performance while maintaining a good value proposition

At this point (actually, for me it was the N31 launch date) it's clear there's no such thing in other than high-end segment from both vendors, it's amazing that there're still many people living in dreamland

 

[Heartbreaker]

Another RX 7600 added to Canadian Retailer at about $400 CAD/$300 USD. It really does seem like AMD intended to launch this is at $300 USD, but that could still change before launch:

Custom Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards listed in Canada at 410 CAD (303 USD) - VideoCardz.com

Canadian pricing for Radeon RX 7600 might have leaked out There is another retailer in Canada now listing Radeon RX 7600 graphics card. We have already seen RX 7600 at a Canadian store listed for around 444 CAD, but it was clear that the offer not featuring a final price. It appears that another...

videocardz.com

 

[eek2121]

I don't understand why anyone would expect miracles from Navi 33. It's on an older process, using an already unconvincing architecture. The only thing that AMD can surprise us is with the price.

I don’t understand why folks assume we will continue to see large gains each generation. If you look at CPU generational improvements the gains are typically much smaller. The only way chips will get drastically faster is if NVIDIA and AMD can add more execution units or drastically increase clocks. Doing either will likely mean a larger, more expensive die along with more power consumption leading to higher thermals leading to thicker heat sinks…

I expect that unless the companies take advantage of a die shrink we will see much smaller gains in the future.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I don’t understand why folks assume we will continue to see large gains each generation. If you look at CPU generational improvements the gains are typically much smaller. The only way chips will get drastically faster is if NVIDIA and AMD can add more execution units or drastically increase clocks. Doing either will likely mean a larger, more expensive die along with more power consumption leading to higher thermals leading to thicker heat sinks…

I expect that unless the companies take advantage of a die shrink we will see much smaller gains in the future.

- That's kinda the whole point of Chiplets, isn't it?

Whether its AMD's current iteration of chiplet tech that breaks up the memory and processing subsystems into individual dies or a future arch that allows multiple compute dies to work together, performance can continue to scale linearly with price.

 

[Heartbreaker]

- That's kinda the whole point of Chiplets, isn't it?

Whether its AMD's current iteration of chiplet tech that breaks up the memory and processing subsystems into individual dies or a future arch that allows multiple compute dies to work together, performance can continue to scale linearly with price.

Chiplets help, but the benefits tend to be overstated. It really isn't going to help the price-performance relation at much mid-range, and not at all at low-range.

It can give some savings at 80/90 800/900 ranges, but not much at lower tiers, and at those upper tiers they will be charging bigger markups anyway.

At lower tiers, the yield benefit is smaller, and then you have to add on the increased packaging costs, so it's kind of a wash.

Plus with GPUs, they have extensive redundant units, so it makes recovery of bad chips by disabling the sections and selling them as a lower tier quite easy.

 

[moinmoin]

I don’t understand why folks assume we will continue to see large gains each generation.

For starters AMD promised large gains. And had a track record of sandbagging on top of it. RDNA3 managed to break both.

Now plenty people assume AMD didn't do that willingly and that the fixed and/or next gen will catch up with the missed improvements.

 

[beginner99]

I don’t understand why folks assume we will continue to see large gains each generation. If you look at CPU generational improvements the gains are typically much smaller.

Yeah but the serve different purposes. GPU work is inherently parallel so you increase performance simply by making more cores and hece it works for more pixles (higher resolution).
This doesn't work for CPUs as often the software or algorithm can not profit from more cores. therefore you need to balance single-core gains vs adding more cores.

In servers, the parallelization is simply achieved by virtualization/containerization (run a lot of applications on a single server) and on top of that by one thread per request. But that doesn't work on laptops or desktops, only servers.

 

[Ranulf]

Another RX 7600 added to Canadian Retailer at about $400 CAD/$300 USD. It really does seem like AMD intended to launch this is at $300 USD, but that could still change before launch:

Custom Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards listed in Canada at 410 CAD (303 USD) - VideoCardz.com

Canadian pricing for Radeon RX 7600 might have leaked out There is another retailer in Canada now listing Radeon RX 7600 graphics card. We have already seen RX 7600 at a Canadian store listed for around 444 CAD, but it was clear that the offer not featuring a final price. It appears that another...

videocardz.com

The latest rumor mill rumblings are that AMD really thought the 4060 was going to be $329 so they were all ready to go with $300 for the 7600.

 

[Heartbreaker]

The latest rumor mill rumblings are that AMD really thought the 4060 was going to be $329 so they were all ready to go with $300 for the 7600.

That's seems priced to close even if they were $329. Maybe it's just to capture some early sales vs the $400 4060 Ti, until 4060 ships.

 

[Aapje]

Whatever the price may be, I expect a drop to around $250 pretty quickly.

 

[Thunder 57]

Whatever the price may be, I expect a drop to around $250 pretty quickly.

You mean like right around the time the 4060 comes out?

 

[Aapje]

You mean like right around the time the 4060 comes out?

Once they see how poorly the 7600 sells and react to that. This can be before the 4060 is released, at the same time or a bit after.

 

[PJVol]

right around the time the 4060 comes out?

Right after that )

 

[gdansk]

AMD would get some minor "good will" if it was priced at $250 from the get go.
But the Radeon team hasn't done anything like that since Polaris.

 

[Thunder 57]

AMD would get some minor "good will" if it was priced at $250 from the get go.
But the Radeon team hasn't done anything like that since Polaris.

Polaris was a great value and aged well if you got the 8GB version. I got a good deal on a 5700. It was about $330, or $300ish after MIR with two games. That was just a bit before the crypto shortage. So there were still deals to be had, unlike now.

 

[Ranulf]

AMD would get some minor "good will" if it was priced at $250 from the get go.
But the Radeon team hasn't done anything like that since Polaris.

You'd think they would realize the release day reviews that mention the higher price as part of the review score will stick around even after the prices get dropped 3-6+ months later.