DrMrLordX
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Localized heat is also less of a problem.
It's a problem on Radeon VII. Look at the hotspot temps.
Localized heat is also less of a problem.
I fully expect AMD's top CPU's to reach 5GHz. I don't see why people are so suspicious about this? Ryzen 2700X can boost to 4.3Ghz on 14nm GloFo process, 2950X at 12nm can boost to 4.4GHz, so I don't see why new and improved CPU's on 7nm can't reach 5GHz, its seems very likely to me. If anything we might even see a CPU that comes later on, something like a Ryzen 9 3900x that can boost up to 5.2GHz.
Intel had clockspeed regression going from 22nm to 14nm: 4790K had 4.4Ghz turbo, 6700K went down to 4.2Ghz turbo and overclocking wasn't stellar either. It was Kaby Lake and then Coffee Lake that showed significant & iterative improvements towards 5GHz.On first gen 7nm parts? No way. Intel only managed it after three attempts on an easier node to achieve it.
7% increase in speed on a full node jump?Me too, I think some model will have XFR up to 4.5 GHz (quadcore+sixcore+12C) and some models up to 4.7 GHz (8C/16T)
you forgot IPC improvement7% increase in speed on a full node jump?
Well, 14nm was an LP derived process, N7 is an HP process...you forgot IPC improvement
as said before, Intel too decreased turbo with skylake vs haswell with node improvement
and skylake i7 6700K was hotter and not using full potential thanks to 2400MHz DDR4 with high timings as standard
that is nice, but nobody talking about here on this forumWell, 14nm was an LP derived process, N7 is an HP process...
Its eating in their server CPU's, especially with the 3rd gen, because where can they go after 32 cores? Adding more cores is going to start eating up in their professional CPU's, so I think they are removing it because it will essentially compete with their Epyc line and there is probably limited 7nm chips to be able to do Ryzen, Threadripper, Epyc AND navi!that is nice, but nobody talking about here on this forum
everything seems too optimistic for me- 7nm is the miracle
toms posted that TR from ryzen 2 dropped from the roadmap...wondering what it means https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-third-gen-threadripper-roadmap,39254.html
I mean 7nm in not a new node anymore, yeah it's still fresh, but considering TSMC have 6nm now and are working swiftly on a 5nm, I think their 7nm is probably much more mature right now as opposed to how some people are looking at it from the outside.The advantage for GPU is different. The 5GHz barrier isn't relevant for GPUs in the foreseeable future. Localized heat is also less of a problem.
I expect high single digits or around ~10% gains for 7nm at 4GHz+ over 12nm, which is a performance oriented version of 14LPP+
Shintel is using a highly refined mature 12nm-like node with high speed libraries. They've also gotten more aggressive with elite binning. That's how they are able to reach high frequencies.
I am guessing we'll beat 4.5ghz boosts on good binnings. 5ghz would be a really pleasant surprise, and a big surprise. I do think those speeds will be surpassed in 2020 with a more enhanced and mature 7nm node.
Yeah, we might as well think of it this way: all TR chiplets for 2019 have already been sold
That way they can prioritize top-bin chiplets to EPYC where the margins are higher.
Shintel is using a highly refined mature 12nm-like node with high speed libraries.
BUT: TR and epyc don't need the same chiplets. Epcy needs low leakage low clocking chiplets while TR rather need high leakage / high clocking chiplets at the cost of higher TDP. TR competes with Ryzen for chiplets IMHO.
What's "Shintel"?
BUT: TR and epyc don't need the same chiplets.
maybe REDACTEDWhat's "Shintel"?
It stands to reason that a 32c TR3 would compete with Rome/EPYC 2 in a similar fashion.
Q2 2020, if earlier cadence is maintained.the next gen 7nm mobile APU - any timings known?
looking for a replacement for my i5 6300U, icelake 4C is one candidate but new ryzen is ofc too !