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JDG1980

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Agreed, I’ll admit I’m negative Nancy regarding AMD, feels like they are experts at finding a way to screw something up.
I’ll also admit Dr. Su runs a tight ship.

In the past couple of years, most of the screw-ups have been on the RTG (graphics) side. The CPU division has done a great job.
 
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exquisitechar

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New GN video apparently mentions a July 7 release date and some other bits of info, can't watch now. Also, there apparently won't be much revealed in terms of specs/pricing during the keynote?

TUM_APISAK tweeted about a 6c/12t, 42/36 Ryzen 5 3600.
 

JDG1980

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The current Ryzen 5 2600 (6C/12T, 65W TDP) maxes out at 3.9 GHz with a base clock of 3.4 GHz. Based on what we've heard so far about the architecture, it looks like Ryzen 5 3600 should boast 10-15% better IPC, better SMT, and far superior AVX2 performance. If this rumor is correct and they can add +200 MHz to the base clock and +300 MHz to the boost clock on top of that while maintaining the same TDP, I'd definitely consider that to be a decent generational gain.
 
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JDG1980

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New GN video apparently mentions a July 7 release date and some other bits of info, can't watch now. Also, there apparently won't be much revealed in terms of specs/pricing during the keynote?

Are you referring to this video? His claims are as follows:
* Tonight's keynote will be just the X570 unveil, with little or nothing about Ryzen 3000
* The Ryzen 3000 announcement (specs, prices, etc.) will be on June 10 at E3
* Preorders will open July 1; official launch and performance review embargo lift will be July 7
* 16-core Ryzen 3000 CPUs will be released
* 16-core Ryzen 3000 CPUs, under AIO cooling, are allegedly pushing 300W (this was mentioned in the context of overclocking, but he didn't make it clear if this was overclocked or stock)
* X570 TDP is 11W (previous sources have said 15W), increase largely due to PCIe 4
* X570 will offer 16 PCIe 4 lanes to the GPU, 4 PCIe 4 lanes to the M.2 slot
* Official 3200 MHz RAM support for 2 slots, lower if all 4 slots are populated

I guess we'll find out if any of this is true or not... what's GN's record so far?
 

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Well right before he says "we have some new information on overclocking" so the 300W as a maximum are clearly if you push the 16C to the max.

But nice to hear that it'll be an early July launch.
 

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Well right before he says "we have some new information on overclocking" so the 300W as a maximum are clearly if you push the 16C to the max.

But nice to hear that it'll be an early July launch.

LOL, that's over twice what old Jim said.
 

Mockingbird

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Jim said that the 16C will stop at 140-150W with max OC?

Doubt that. We're not talking about the power consumption @stock settings.

Old Jim claims at 135W at stock.

So do you think power consumption is going to more than double when overclocked?
 

Karnak

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Old Jim claims at 135W at stock.

So do you think power consumption is going to more than double when overclocked?
Ofc, that's pretty normal if you OC GPU's or CPU's to the max that the power consumption is abysmal and way higher.
 

PotatoWithEarsOnSide

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I wonder how much power the i9 9900KS draws at stock...
Of course, we know they'll claim 95w TDP.
BTW, 9900KS is 5.0GHz all core at all times.
 

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Note the comma. Without it it would imply with performance as well. With it, it seems to mean that the 9900k uses as much power and that (the 9900k) has the performance as well. I had to re-read that line too.

Yeah, that's what I meant. You get both a space heater and the highest performance desktop CPU so far, through brute force. Unlike the FX9590 and the P4 Emergency Edition, this approach works.

The 9900KS is exactly that very same 9900K manually OC'd to 5GHz. It'll be hilarious if they still relase it under the """"95w"""" tier.
 

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I wonder how much power the i9 9900KS draws at stock...
Of course, we know they'll claim 95w TDP.
BTW, 9900KS is 5.0GHz all core at all times.

Yeah, that's what I meant. You get both a space heater and the highest performance desktop CPU so far, through brute force. Unlike the FX9590 and the P4 Emergency Edition, this approach works.

The 9900KS is exactly that very same 9900K manually OC'd to 5GHz. It'll be hilarious if they still relase it under the """"95w"""" tier.

This 9900KS does really remind me of the launch of the first P4EE. Isn't it nice to have Intel feeling threatened again?
 

amd6502

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Seems reasonable since it's a non-X with most likely 65W TDP.

It's possible they put 65W TDP, or 45W maybe. I'm guessing many of these single chiplet SKU's are going to consume ~45W.

It whether 40W or 60W, it kind of depends how highly and hard they drive the base clock.

Whether it's safe to drive ~90W through a single chiplet continuously and over long term is another question. So if there are 95W TDP models, I somewhat doubt they will use that ceiling on the single chiplet models.
 

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It's possible they put 65W TDP, or 45W maybe. I'm guessing many of these single chiplet SKU's are going to consume ~45W.

It whether 40W or 60W, it kind of depends how highly and hard they drive the base clock.

Whether it's safe to drive ~90W through a single chiplet continuously and over long term is another question. So if there are 95W TDP models, I somewhat doubt they will use that ceiling on the single chiplet models.
The IO die should be taking ~ 1/3 the power?
 

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Well right before he says "we have some new information on overclocking" so the 300W as a maximum are clearly if you push the 16C to the max.

But nice to hear that it'll be an early July launch.

Ok, but what is the max? Adored said 16C was 16/32 @ 5.1Ghz with less than half that wattage. So, 5.8Ghz @ 300W?? Lol, I'm getting confused. But maybe 6ghz is on the table heheh.

Or not. Adored has been terrible with 'leaks' so far. I'm afraid that even if Zen2 is fantastic (I think it will be), it will still disappoint some people compared to his fanfic.
 
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french toast

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LOL, that's over twice what old Jim said.
Dude you clearly have an agenda, and what is clear is your now just making things up.
I wonder how much power the i9 9900KS draws at stock...
Of course, we know they'll claim 95w TDP.
BTW, 9900KS is 5.0GHz all core at all times.
Yeah, that's what I meant. You get both a space heater and the highest performance desktop CPU so far, through brute force. Unlike the FX9590 and the P4 Emergency Edition, this approach works.

The 9900KS is exactly that very same 9900K manually OC'd to 5GHz. It'll be hilarious if they still relase it under the """"95w"""" tier.
Yea the 9900ks is basically a factory overclocked 9900k...you don't even get any single core turbo increase, ridiculous to call this a new product.
As for adored leaks, they were half a year ago, prices and naming can change, but we are getting IO die, we are getting 12 and 16 core cpus... Many simply laughed when he put that out there, if we really do get 5ghz ST turbo then he was as about as right as could be expected so far out, his information may also be months old by the time his leaker passed it on.

We will soon see.
 

exquisitechar

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Dude you clearly have an agenda, and what is clear is your now just making things up.


Yea the 9900ks is basically a factory overclocked 9900k...you don't even get any single core turbo increase, ridiculous to call this a new product.
As for adored leaks, they were half a year ago, prices and naming can change, but we are getting IO die, we are getting 12 and 16 core cpus... Many simply laughed when he put that out there, if we really do get 5ghz ST turbo then he was as about as right as could be expected so far out, his information may also be months old by the time his leaker passed it on.

We will soon see.
Now Adored's on Twitter saying that he got told today that clocks will be much lower than he said they would be, but that the CPUs will still OC to 5GHz. Makes no sense to me, but let's wait and see.
 
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french toast

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Now Adored's on Twitter saying that he got told today that clocks will be much lower than he said they would be, but that the CPUs will still OC to 5GHz. Makes no sense to me, but let's wait and see.
Well we will see, I will be very disappointed if we don't match 9900k in ST performance and gaming...
I said 4.5-4,7ghz all along.. Hope I am wrong.
 

Shivansps

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As for adored leaks, they were half a year ago, prices and naming can change, but we are getting IO die

If they were over half a year ago, naming, prices, clocks and anything would not exist. AMD dosent do that, the product lineup, clocks and prices are decided at the very last moment. Just accept it.

Now Adored's on Twitter saying that he got told today that clocks will be much lower than he said they would be, but that the CPUs will still OC to 5GHz. Makes no sense to me, but let's wait and see.

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jpiniero

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Yea the 9900ks is basically a factory overclocked 9900k...you don't even get any single core turbo increase, ridiculous to call this a new product.

The 9900KS is just an attempt to make a R0 stepping only K model without drawing to the attention of the benefit of having the hardware fixes.

If they were over half a year ago, naming, prices, clocks and anything would not exist. AMD dosent do that, the product lineup, clocks and prices are decided at the very last moment. Just accept it.

Yeah if you think about it, it needs to be that way in general since you need to find out what you actually get back from the fab. If very little of the chips are coming back stable at 5 Ghz, you can't sell it at 5 Ghz for instance.
 
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Now Adored's on Twitter saying that he got told today that clocks will be much lower than he said they would be, but that the CPUs will still OC to 5GHz. Makes no sense to me, but let's wait and see.

Yes it does that is overclocking headroom, or by defoult you have higher IPC+not very high stock CPU clocks.

Ryzen 7 2700X is 4ghz all core turbo+overclocking headroom is 200mhz

Ryzen 7 3700X is 4.3ghz all core turbo+10-15% higher IPC+overclocking headroom is 400-500mhz
 
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