Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[CHADBOGA]

The flagship Gigabyte board is expected to come in at around $600 according to Gamers Nexus.

That is crazy.

 

[TheGiant]

You are correct, no one who spent so much money on an 8700K, delidding it and buying a custom cooling solution is going to tear it down to build a Zen2 system around a Ryzen.

That also does not mean that the Ryzen 3000 series is inferior to Intel's latestin gaming or otherwise.

its not definitely inferior in apps etc, we don't know about that gaming yet
but I got a feeling from some posts that suddenly the everything except r3xxx is inferior...no its not
lets hope b550 has pci-e 4 and PASSIVE chipset cooler

 

[TheGiant]

There's no reason to expect B550 would require active cooling, AFAIK only X570 will be based on the older Epyc chipset, B550 should be similar with previous gen chips.


The AMD better effect is fine and dandy with $120-$200 B450 & X470 boards.

no its not,

it lacks pci-e 4

wont buy a new board without it, well I personally don't need it but I would like to have it

 

[Zucker2k]

That is crazy.

The Intel equivalent costs as much.

Welcome, AMD, to the big time!!!

 

[TheGiant]

That is crazy.

600? I consider that expensive even for top end HEDT board, but classic desktop board...does it cook coffee too?

 

[OTG]

600? I consider that expensive even for top end HEDT board, but classic desktop board...does it cook coffee too?

IDK who buys a $600 mobo, but it's really nothing new.

 

[coercitiv]

wont buy a new board without it, well I personally don't need it but I would like to have it

won't buy a board without something you don't need but must have. ok.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Thunder 57]

I think I just broke multi-quote. Oh well. Moving right along . . .

You and your punctuation.

I still don't think FX9590 and 9900k deserve to be compared to one another, but damn them 9900k chips do get hot. And the 9900KS? Oh my. Zen2 to the rescue!

Sorry you can't read just joking I liked your comment actually.

I don't get the big problem with a chipset fan. I'd rather not have one sure, but they existed before. I believe many nforce 2 boards had one. I had one and it was never a problem. There is also X470/B450 that can be used if PCIe 4 is not a concern. Surely we will see passively cooled X570's B550's in time.

I had some pricing information that turned out to be pretty accurate. I didn't give exact numbers for well, reasons, but I guess there is no harm in telling what I know now.

The 3900X, 3600X, and 3600 were spot on. The 3700X I had at $349, so maybe they cut the price at the last minute. The other numbers I have are:

3900 $449
3700 $299
3300G $149
3100G $99

Take it with a grain of salt obviously.

 

[TheGiant]

won't buy a board without something you don't need but must have. ok.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

well strange reaction for someone so experienced..or maybe not strange?
pretty much no one needs pci 4 on desktop, or the 12C/24T who needs that exactly don't talk about needs really

logic is simple, if I have to buy 150 EUR board with pci-e 3 I can buy 160 EUR board with pci-e 4, that is sellable in the next 2-3 years
the x470 boards, no matter the cost will be cheap (400 EUR board selling for 15 EUR more than 150 EUR board)

 

[Abwx]

no its not,

it lacks pci-e 4

wont buy a new board without it, well I personally don't need it but I would like to have it

Why a new board.?.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-amd-ryzen-3000-pcie-4.0-x470,39377.html

At CES 2019, AMD confirmed to Tom's Hardware that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards could support PCIe 4.0.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

my favourite MB brand
lets hope b550 isn't so power hungry and doesn't require a fan

I didn't see any info of B550? anyone some news?

Seems like all the cooling is required because PCIe 4.0 and a whole bunch of m2. Slots.
Why not make a X570 board with fewer m.2 slots Andrew not support m.2 raid to make it passive cooling

 

[TheGiant]

Why a new board.?.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-amd-ryzen-3000-pcie-4.0-x470,39377.html

At CES 2019, AMD confirmed to Tom's Hardware that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards could support PCIe 4.0.

good news then..

if the reviews don't show significant problems (bios, power...) I am getting a b450 board

 

[amrnuke]

its not definitely inferior in apps etc, we don't know about that gaming yet
but I got a feeling from some posts that suddenly the everything except r3xxx is inferior...no its not
lets hope b550 has pci-e 4 and PASSIVE chipset cooler

In general use, even a 2200G is fine. I know, I have one. No major issues with Plex transcoding while doing light work in Gimp and Darktable, browser open, music playing, and Word and Excel usually up and running too. My biggest issue comes with some of the heavier work in Gimp and Darktable - no stuttering of music or interruptions in Plex transcoding, but Gimp and Darktable just take more time to do more complex tasks. Not surprising on a first-gen Zen 4C/4T 3.7 GHz boost chip. But it's been a very good APU.

For grabbing the mind-share, this is all about gaming. Everyone knows for multitasking, AMD not only has the price crown, but also the performance crown when it comes to thread-heavy work.

For gaming, we will see. I think there's a very real possibility that AMD's chips beat the target Intel chips (3800X over 9900K, 3700X over 9700K, 3600X over 9600K). The problem is mid-range pricing IMO. The 3600X needs to beat the 9600K well, because it will cost more than Intel's part.

As for the PCH cooling solutions, there are X570 boards with passive cooling, there will be some for B550 as well.

 

[Carfax83]

Any word on the encoding/transcoding performance of these CPUs? I'm kind of surprised that AMD never included x265 benchmarks or something during their presentation.

With full 256 bit vector paths and a more efficient SMT implementation than Intel's, one would think that Zen 2 would be perfect for that workload.

 

[Atari2600]

Is PCIe4 so bad that even on AM4 it needs active cooling.

**thinks about how X399 has no problem supplying all that I/O without an active cooler in sight.** [then wonders how much of that is chipset I/O and how much is it direct to the CPU]

 

[Hans Gruber]

If this is what we are looking at for Zen 2 launch. Will any of these CPU's OC to 5ghz? Or are the already OC'd to the max already spare for 100-200mhz. A 9-10% OC would put the top 2 parts @ 5ghz.

 

[Markfw]

If this is what we are looking at for Zen 2 launch. Will any of these CPU's OC to 5ghz? Or are the already OC'd to the max already spare for 100-200mhz. A 9-10% OC would put the top 2 parts @ 5ghz.
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For that I think we have to wait 2 weeks for the reviews.

 

[Dave3000]

I right now have a i7-4930k and I want to upgrade to a new platform and CPU, either a i9-9900k or the upcoming R7-3800x. The TDP of the upcoming R7-3700x is 65W and the upcoming R7-3800x is 105W, the base clock is going to 300 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x but the Turbo is going to be only 100 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x. I'm not really interested in the 3700x because what if the lower TDP translates into a lower all-core turbo clock than the 3800x and I'm not talking about just 100 MHz lower like it's official stated turbo clock? I'm interested in the all-core turbo clocks of these CPU's more than I'm interested in the single-core turbo clocks because rarely does a CPU use only one core and idles the other cores in a CPU when running applications in Windows even ones that only use a single-core due to background activities and OS overhead. I also don't plan on overclocking. I'd like to know the all-core turbo clocks of the 3700x and the 3800x. Heck, I'd even consider upgrading to a 3900x instead of a 3800x if the 3900x will have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x. How likely is the 3900x going to have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x considering they both have the same TDP but the 3900x has 4 more cores than the 3800x?

 

[scannall]

I right now have a i7-4930k and I want to upgrade to a new platform and CPU, either a i9-9900k or the upcoming R7-3800x. The TDP of the upcoming R7-3700x is 65W and the upcoming R7-3800x is 105W, the base clock is going to 300 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x but the Turbo is going to be only 100 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x. I'm not really interested in the 3700x because what if the lower TDP translates into a lower all-core turbo clock than the 3800x and I'm not talking about just 100 MHz lower like it's official stated turbo clock? I'm interested in the all-core turbo clocks of these CPU's more than I'm interested in the single-core turbo clocks because rarely does a CPU use only one core and idles the other cores in a CPU when running applications in Windows even ones that only use a single-core due to background activities and OS overhead. I also don't plan on overclocking. I'd like to know the all-core turbo clocks of the 3700x and the 3800x. Heck, I'd even consider upgrading to a 3900x instead of a 3800x if the 3900x will have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x. How likely is the 3900x going to have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x considering they both have the same TDP but the 3900x has 4 more cores than the 3800x?

The 3800X having a 105 watt TDP will allow XFR to boost higher, as cooling and voltage permit. I'm sure that a lot more will be known once these are in reviewers hands.

 

[JDG1980]

The ASRock one did not have active cooling. Unless they somehow made a fan that looks like the Taichi logo.

That's good news. I had held off on my plans to build a fanless system (using the HDPlex H5 case) to see what Ryzen 3000 had to offer. The 3700X looks really nice, but I was concerned that the chipset was going to pose an issue on the x570 boards. Since I wanted to use ECC, the Taichi would be perfect (ASRock usually does the best job of supporting that).

Now to see what comes in the GPU market... it has to be under 95W. Right now I'm leaning toward the Quadro P2000 because it beats the Radeon WX 5100 on decoding (VP9 support) and OpenGL support. Maybe by the time I'm ready to build, there will be either a Quadro version of the 1660Ti or a WX version of small Navi...

 

[Markfw]

That's good news. I had held off on my plans to build a fanless system (using the HDPlex H5 case) to see what Ryzen 3000 had to offer. The 3700X looks really nice, but I was concerned that the chipset was going to pose an issue on the x570 boards. Since I wanted to use ECC, the Taichi would be perfect (ASRock usually does the best job of supporting that).

Now to see what comes in the GPU market... it has to be under 95W. Right now I'm leaning toward the Quadro P2000 because it beats the Radeon WX 5100 on decoding (VP9 support) and OpenGL support. Maybe by the time I'm ready to build, there will be either a Quadro version of the 1660Ti or a WX version of small Navi...

Sorry, usandthen corrected me, I guess its hidden....

 

[Shivansps]

I right now have a i7-4930k and I want to upgrade to a new platform and CPU, either a i9-9900k or the upcoming R7-3800x. The TDP of the upcoming R7-3700x is 65W and the upcoming R7-3800x is 105W, the base clock is going to 300 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x but the Turbo is going to be only 100 MHz faster on the 3800x than the 3700x. I'm not really interested in the 3700x because what if the lower TDP translates into a lower all-core turbo clock than the 3800x and I'm not talking about just 100 MHz lower like it's official stated turbo clock? I'm interested in the all-core turbo clocks of these CPU's more than I'm interested in the single-core turbo clocks because rarely does a CPU use only one core and idles the other cores in a CPU when running applications in Windows even ones that only use a single-core due to background activities and OS overhead. I also don't plan on overclocking. I'd like to know the all-core turbo clocks of the 3700x and the 3800x. Heck, I'd even consider upgrading to a 3900x instead of a 3800x if the 3900x will have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x. How likely is the 3900x going to have a higher all-core turbo clock than the 3800x considering they both have the same TDP but the 3900x has 4 more cores than the 3800x?

Im convinced that the 3800 turbos and xfr are very very agresive in order to match 9900k perf that runs at 4.7 act. The 3900x may match it con st, no way on all core turbo.

 

[JDG1980]

Sorry, usandthen corrected me, I guess its hidden....

That's a shame. Hopefully there will be some kind of third-party fanless attachment. If not, other options would have to be considered.

 

[.vodka]

If this is what we are looking at for Zen 2 launch. Will any of these CPU's OC to 5ghz? Or are the already OC'd to the max already spare for 100-200mhz. A 9-10% OC would put the top 2 parts @ 5ghz.
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These are built on a new, different, better, high performance node. They DO NOT have the same frequency/voltage behavior 1xxx and 2xxx parts have. We can't apply any knowledge on these parts to the new ones as they're fundamentally different.

We will have to wait for reviews and people to get their hands on them to see how they overclock, or any leaks until launch date on July 7. No other way around it.

 

[Markfw]

These are built on a new, different, better, high performance node. They DO NOT have the same frequency/voltage behavior 1xxx and 2xxx parts have. We can't apply any knowledge on these parts to the new ones as they're fundamentally different.

We will have to wait for reviews and people to get their hands on them to see how they overclock, or any leaks until launch date on July 7. No other way around it.

I thought we were getting benchmarks on June 10 ? Retail sales on July 7th