Such BS. What small fraction of users is actually jumping between generations? AMD is speccing processors to be competitive in the market and achievable with a relatively new 7nm process.
This comment on reddit AMD is the most logical and reasonable thing I have read so far, and the point I have been trying to make.
I have a P5Q Deluxe and I will be adding some new case fans next week, want me to post a picture of the board and its heat sinks?
Go for it. The Asus gallery page doesn't show that funky triangular heatsink very well from their chosen angles.
This is the list I use too. Notice how the X470 Prime Pro uses IR3553 mosfets whereas the X470-F uses IR3555 mosfets. The former is capable of 40 amps and the latter is capable of 60 amps.
I'm not simply talking about 3rd world labour rates but for the people in those 3rd world countries building computers and their purchasing power.What an odd argument, is there a market of $30 motherboards I don't know about? Shouldn't pricing be measured on the market and the competition not based on third world nation labor rates?
Except if you are that poor, then why would you be buying a Ryzen 6 core (3000 series start at 6 core, right )? why not a 1200 and a a320 motherboard ? Or even a 200GE ? or a used motherboard ?You might be surprised Mark, but in some parts of the world, it's not.
I think the best way to look at prices is not the $ value but the number of hours you have to work to purchase a product. In the lesser pay countries, you might have to work for 2 or possibly even 3 days to buy a $56 board. Why do people think imported stuff is so cheap. Woe to poor enthusiasts.
I think the best way to look at prices is not the $ value but the number of hours you have to work to purchase a product. In the lesser pay countries, you might have to work for 2 or possibly even 3 days to buy a $56 board.
This comment on reddit AMD is the most logical and reasonable thing I have read so far, and the point I have been trying to make.
B350 and B450 aren't exactly cheap. Launch prices close to $100. They must all receive guaranteed support until Zen 3 because that's what was promised. A320 i can understand.
I already admitted i was wrong. I didn't know.Provide link to AMD saying they will support AM4 all the way to Zen3.
Except if you are that poor, then why would you be buying a Ryzen 6 core (3000 series start at 6 core, right )? why not a 1200 and a a320 motherboard ? Or even a 200GE ? or a used motherboard ?
I already admitted i was wrong. I didn't know.
$200. AMD 3600. Just for example someone bought 1200 and B350 a couple of years ago and now wants to upgrade to 3600 so he's out of luck if the motherboard brand he bought doesn't want to support the new 3600. I would say that person would be atleast a little disappointed.Yeah exactly, complaining that a $100 mobo is to expensive when you are putting a $400-$500 CPU in it seems odd.
How the F do you find info like this?
What vendor makes a motherboards mosfets
Their part number
AND what amperage they are rated at
You won the Internet today.
Let's not get lost here. This started when the option for the latest Ryzen 3xxx to be used on the A320 motherboards was being discussed and it was suggested that why would anyone buy an A320 when B350/450 ones were just a bit more expensive. It was not about guaranteeing support or poor pairings.So how many days would they have to work to pair it up to a 12C CPU?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The argument that a relatively cheap board should guarantee support for a relatively expensive CPU 3 generations down the line is illogical. No matter what part of the world you are from.
How the F do you find info like this?
What vendor makes a motherboards mosfets
Their part number
AND what amperage they are rated at
You won the Internet today.
There is a guy that does some high-knowledge hardware breakdowns for the Gamers Nexus people...I think he has his own channel. Don't know his name. I recall watching him tear down a Radeon VII board and pretty much every thing was about every single little doohicky attached to that board, to the level of serial number and power rating for each one, like it was just off the cuff, with some smarty person explanations of how they spent maybe too much on specific VRMs rather than add more of some moderate VRMs...or something like that.
I guess there are engineering charts that you get from OEM distributor warehouses that compile all of this information in spreadsheets for bulk ordering purposes. ...also, I guess if you've spent your life soldering components to PCBs, you just pick up this knowledge, especially if you stay informed.
If that comment is true, goes to show that socket and chipset backwards-comaptibility will have a negative impact on new gen CPUs. I still don't get the obsession with this compatibility. I usually don't upgrade my CPU after just 2-3 years and after 5 years a new board will have new features.
This is the list I use too. Notice how the X470 Prime Pro uses IR3553 mosfets whereas the X470-F uses IR3555 mosfets. The former is capable of 40 amps and the latter is capable of 60 amps.
Yes, we should let it rest, the discussion about if is worth it or not varies wildly between countries and over time.
And some others are just making stuff up like saying people is demanding 12 and 16C on A320, that just not true. It is impossible to mantain a disscussion when this stuff happens.
Personally i belive AMD should have not said anything to start with. That would have save us a lot of arguing.
There are two arguments here: technical and economical.
Technically, the A320 *chipset* should be able to run Zen2 just fine, BUT, the *implementation* of it on the board maybe the limiting factor; the board is not robust enough to run it stably long term. (layers, power delivery, unknown corners cut to be *good enough*)
Economically, the board mfg has no interest in making the "cheapest" board a desirable option, and lose out on money by forcing an upgrade at either initial purchase OR upgrade time down the road.
So, if your reality is different than ours in the USA, just explain the economics behind it.
There is no shame in sharing how the rest of the enthusiasts with limited options have fun with what they can get.
BUT, not sharing the whole picture leads to frustration about why something is an issue.
Yeah, that's unfortunate, but unlike Intel CPUs that don't go down in value, he could still get very good deals for higher end older Ryzens like 2600X or 2700, which would still be a very good upgrade$200. AMD 3600. Just for example someone bought 1200 and B350 a couple of years ago and now wants to upgrade to 3600 so he's out of luck if the motherboard brand he bought doesn't want to support the new 3600. I would say that person would be atleast a little disappointed.
But where did the old computer build policy of never skimp on Motherboard and PSU go?