Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[Zucker2k]

So you don't think the 3900x will OC to 5 GHz on AiO/water?

Do you? I've been a skeptic of that claim from day one, and have argued that point in another thread about AMD maximizing clocks with XFR and PBO.

Besides, gaming performance is not all about clocks and cache sizes, otherwise the i9 99xx chips overclocked to 4.5GHz and beyond would be the gaming kings at present and they're not.

Edit: i9 99xx: I mean Intel's HEDT offerings like the i9 9980XE with it 24.75MB cache

 

[DrMrLordX]

Do you?

I asked first. Tell me why you think it isn't true. Not talking about that YouTube guy, I'm talking about the link @cortexa99 posted earlier in this thread:

https://translate.google.com/transl...irect&goto=findpost&ptid=2000764&pid=42308041

Some of what is in there makes sense, especially moreso than that other guy's speculation from last year. Gist of it is that the 6-core chiplets have more headroom than the 8-core chiplets. It's been discussed already in this thread in the last few pages (A320 derails notwithstanding). So what's your take on it?

 

[phillyman36]

Just saw this they say take with a grain of salt

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-to-become-worlds-first-16-core-gaming-cpu

 

[JujuFish]

Just saw this they say take with a grain of salt

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-to-become-worlds-first-16-core-gaming-cpu

Know how I know you didn't read the thread?

 

[Zucker2k]

I asked first. Tell me why you think it isn't true. Not talking about that YouTube guy, I'm talking about the link @cortexa99 posted earlier in this thread:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.chiphell.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2000764&pid=42308041

Some of what is in there makes sense, especially moreso than that other guy's speculation from last year. Gist of it is that the 6-core chiplets have more headroom than the 8-core chiplets. It's been discussed already in this thread in the last few pages (A320 derails notwithstanding). So what's your take on it?

It'll assume heat is the primary barrier to 5GHz. It'll certainly help the 6core and 12core chips, if that's the case (larger heat-dissipation die surface, relative to number of cores), plus, the chance to disable a 'worse' core or two in the 5GHz quest.

 

[exquisitechar]

3950x leak confirmed according to WhyCry!

4.7GHz on it is very nice. I'm expecting the 3600 to be very nice for overclocking.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

The Videocardz leak says 10SW TDP and not 105W TDP.
Just check out all the S and 5s on the image. Gotta be the stupidest photoshop ever.

 

[Guru]

Seems like a nonsensical rumor. Why not introduce 16 cores at computex and make that announcement EVEN BIGGER, have everyone minds blown away, yet wait only 2 weeks to announce it at E3. Doesn't make any sense.

I think the earliest we are going to see 16 cores is Q4 2019 IF AMD feels pressure by some new as of new unannounced Intel CPU. (which is highly unlikely)

 

[jpiniero]

Seems like a nonsensical rumor. Why not introduce 16 cores at computex and make that announcement EVEN BIGGER, have everyone minds blown away, yet wait only 2 weeks to announce it at E3. Doesn't make any sense.

One theory I have is that the 16 core will be OEM/boutique system builder only. They wanted the Computex announcement to be about the products that will be widely available.

 

[.vodka]

3950x leak confirmed according to WhyCry!

4.7GHz on it is very nice. I'm expecting the 3600 to be very nice for overclocking.

Yup.

I'm wondering if the 3600 could overtake the 2700x with enough of an all core OC. It certainly will on SIMD workloads due to the wider execution hardware, but it also could on general tasks due to the +15% higher IPC and not having that ~4.3GHz clock wall anymore.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It'll assume heat is the primary barrier to 5GHz. It'll certainly help the 6core and 12core chips, if that's the case (larger heat-dissipation die surface, relative to number of cores), plus, the chance to disable a 'worse' core or two in the 5GHz quest.

Exactly. Heat and binning. Smart money is on the best 8c chiplets going to Threadripper and EPYC.

3950x leak confirmed according to WhyCry!

4.7GHz on it is very nice. I'm expecting the 3600 to be very nice for overclocking.

Your link looks broken?

One theory I have is that the 16 core will be OEM/boutique system builder only. They wanted the Computex announcement to be about the products that will be widely available.

Oh that's lovely. Just what we need: parts being exclusive to OEMs like Alienware.

 

[esquared]

This is how pundits raise and dash peoples' expectations, folks!

Oh is this how it's done? Speaking from personal experience, or?

Knock it off. Both of you.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[VirtualLarry]

Oh that's lovely. Just what we need: parts being exclusive to OEMs like Alienware.

For "enthusiast" performance parts, I really doubt that AMD would do that. If they do, they're stupid. One of the biggest pieces of Ryzen's success story, has been the enthusiast DIY crowd, and AMD's support of such ("all AM4 CPUs will be unlocked"), and not some big OEM business deskop buyers. (No iGPU in the "bigger" Ryzen CPUs is one good reason.)

It would be a real "kick in the teeth", if those really high performance parts were OEM-only. Can you imagine if ThreadRipper were only available from boutique OEMs, and not directly DIY retail? Then again, I don't know AMD's "return rates", for those higher-end CPUs. Maybe many a n00b builder attempted to build a rig around a $699 CPU, couldn't get it working, and returned everything, and AMD had to eat the cost (even partially) of the expensive TR4 CPU?

Maybe the VRM and cooling requirements are such that the 3950X should only be attempted to be system-integrated by "experts"? Granted, we do have plenty of those on this forum, myself hopefully-included. (Though I have yet to build a custom water loop system. Y'all that have, are ahead of me still.)

 

[Guru]

One theory I have is that the 16 core will be OEM/boutique system builder only. They wanted the Computex announcement to be about the products that will be widely available.

That doesn't hold water for me, why limit your best product to OEM's? Plus OEM's are generally sort of mid of the range systems, yeah we have ultra top end ones, but I'd say the large majority of people who would buy a say $1500 OEM build, actually build their own computers, so it wouldn't make sense.

We know the 16 cores CPU exists, but the question is when will AMD introduce it and I think they will only do so IF feeling pressure from Intel, which as of now it doesn't look likely, unless they magically have some unannounced CPU that beats even their all core 5GHz upcoming cpu.

 

[Ajay]

One theory I have is that the 16 core will be OEM/boutique system builder only. They wanted the Computex announcement to be about the products that will be widely available.

Wow, that would be a great way to piss off a bunch of enthusiast websites/YouTubers! Not worth it IMO.

 

[Ajay]

Maybe the VRM and cooling requirements are such that the 3950X should only be attempted to be system-integrated by "experts"? Granted, we do have plenty of those on this forum, myself hopefully-included. (Though I have yet to build a custom water loop system. Y'all that have, are ahead of me still.)

Dude, you can’t call yourself an enthusiast if you haven’t tried H2O cooling (or better) at least once Even though they used to be a PITA to maintain (the old mixed metals problem).

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dude, you can’t call yourself an enthusiast if you haven’t tried H2O cooling (or better) at least once Even though they used to be a PITA to maintain (the old mixed metals problem).

Dude Larry is the CMOS GOD in my book.

Back on topic....sort of


It's gonna get real intel has come out hitting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000?amp

Intel is coming out swinging over at E3, 2019. During the company’s ‘gaming performance for the real world’ event in LA, Intel challenged AMD and its upcoming Ryzen 3000 processors to “come beat us in real world gaming.”

I love how we have the two of them battling each other again. Better choices for all of us.
I still feel Intel is going to come out with some core 2 duo type action next year.

Edit: @Markfw sorry for making you edit a bunch of posts

 

[Ajay]

Hmmmm 16c Matisse? That's gonna be expensive if 3900x is already $499.

Personally, I don’t see the point of 16 cores on AM4 (at what ~$699 or more). Makes much more sense with TR and 4 memory channels.

 

[inf64]

Dude Larry is the CMOS GOD in my book.

Back on topic....sort of


S..t gonna get real intel has come out hitting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000?amp



I love how we have the two of them battling each other again. Better choices for all of us.
I still feel Intel is going to come out with some core 2 duo type action next year.

Intel is in knee jerk reaction mode. They are challenging AMD's vastly superior multi core desktop chip (12C) to a "showdown" versus their factory overclocked 8C (9900KFC) chip. I'd like for AMD to accept the challenge and use the XFR/PBO on their 3900X or even 3950X. Let's see how Skylake+ IPC from Zen2 coupled with 1.5-2x more cores, 4.5+Ghz clocks and high speed DDR4 support does Vs 9900KFC

 

[Markfw]

Its gonna get real intel has come out hitting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000?amp
Intel is coming out swinging over at E3, 2019. During the company’s ‘gaming performance for the real world’ event in LA, Intel challenged AMD and its upcoming Ryzen 3000 processors to “come beat us in real world gaming.”

I love how we have the two of them battling each other again. Better choices for all of us.
I still feel Intel is going to come out with some core 2 duo type action next year.

I REALLY hope this is a war, and I kind of hope AMD wins, only because they are the better "value". But if there is any chance Intel wins (without cheating like a chilled water system), then, hey lets the games begin. We are the only winners really when there is good competition.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I REALLY hope this is a war, and I kind of hope AMD wins, only because they are the better "value". But if there is any chance Intel wins (without cheating like a chilled water system), then, hey lets the games begin. We are the only winners really when there is good competition.

I’m thinking drivers and game optimization favors intel at the moment
That will change but right now it’s all about intel

 

[Atari2600]

Its gonna get real intel has come out hitting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000?amp

I love how we have the two of them battling each other again. Better choices for all of us.

So would that include the usual background tasks running that most people have and not "clean-room" environments that benches are typically run in?

If that's the case, then you'd favour the CPU with more cores and cache to throw at the problems.

 

[Atari2600]

Personally, I don’t see the point of 16 cores on AM4 (at what ~$699 or more). Makes much more sense with TR and 4 memory channels.

For media creators, memory bandwidth is not a bottleneck.

Even on 16C.

 

[inf64]

For media creators, memory bandwidth is not a bottleneck.

Even on 16C.

Don't forget Ryzen 3000 will support higher clocked DDR4 so mem. BW will be a lot higher if you can afford it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So would that include the usual background tasks running that most people have and not "clean-room" environments that benches are typically run in?

If that's the case, then you'd favour the CPU with more cores and cache to throw at the problems.

No however it would be funny if intel showed up with some sort of super gold standard cpu, that was delided and had a $6k liquid nitrogen cooling system with 5 phantex 1200 watt power supplies all daisy chained together.