Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe this is AMDs answer

32 core Ryzen leak

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccfte...-leaked-worlds-first-16-core-gaming-chip/amp/

 

[dlerious]

16c 3950x with a 3.5GHz base, 4.7GHz boost according to videocardz. Same source as their Navi one...

Yay. A 3rd gen Threadripper.

 

[dlerious]

One theory I have is that the 16 core will be OEM/boutique system builder only. They wanted the Computex announcement to be about the products that will be widely available.

A theory I heard that makes sense was the 16-core will be Ryzen 4000 with DDR5 support. If AMD keeps to their naming scheme, 3rd gen Threadripper will be 3920x,3950x,etc. What are they going to name a 16-core AM4 to avoid confusion between TR4 and AM4?

 

[Ajay]

For media creators, memory bandwidth is not a bottleneck.

Even on 16C.

Lol, who, low rent YouTubers? 4 channels means higher mem capacity.

Don't forget Ryzen 3000 will support higher clocked DDR4 so mem. BW will be a lot higher if you can afford it.

Again, not for Pros, who’ll go with ECC.

 

[Markfw]

Lol, who, low rent YouTubers? 4 channels means higher mem capacity.


Again, not for Pros, who’ll go with ECC.

All Ryzen platforms support ECC. NOT at 4000 speeds, but I am sure at 2666 or so.

Edit: The motherboard must support it, not sure how many do, but I know some, even on this forum use ECC on Ryzen/threadripper.

 

[lightmanek]

All Ryzen platforms support ECC. NOT at 4000 speeds, but I am sure at 2666 or so.

Edit: The motherboard must support it, not sure how many do, but I know some, even on this forum use ECC on Ryzen/threadripper.

Correct!
Asus upcoming Pro WS-X570 board officially support ECC on AM4 socket and I'm sure few other manufacturers will follow suite with their more workstation oriented designs.

 

[JDG1980]

All Ryzen platforms support ECC. NOT at 4000 speeds, but I am sure at 2666 or so.

Edit: The motherboard must support it, not sure how many do, but I know some, even on this forum use ECC on Ryzen/threadripper.

Ryzen 3000 supports JEDEC speeds up to DDR4-3200. Hopefully someone will release unbuffered ECC at that speed. Right now, 2666 is the best I've seen available.

 

[RTX2080]

https://translate.google.com/transl...ps://www.chiphell.com/thread-2005144-1-1.html

seems someone tested 16C with LN2 and got 54xx score in R15, praising that efficiency is pretty high

 

[Atari2600]

No however it would be funny if intel showed up with some sort of super gold standard cpu, that was delided and had a $6k liquid nitrogen cooling system with 5 phantex 1200 watt power supplies all daisy chained together.

While it'd be funny for the informed, most of the idiot media would then roll over, have their tummys tickled and report it as due out in Q3.

 

[Atari2600]

Lol, who, low rent YouTubers? 4 channels means higher mem capacity.

What content creators using desktop machines will need more than 64GB?

Any (competent) professional working on a large scale is going to be looking a suitable platform, with all that entails; i.e. not ATX.

 

[inf64]

Videocardz posted an update on 16C news piece:

Update: We have confirmed the authenticity of the slide.

In 11 hours there will be some knee jerking from blue team at E3

 

[Atari2600]

Videocardz posted an update on 16C news piece:

In 11 hours there will be some knee jerking from blue team at E3

Videocardz confirmation? Does that constitute them asking themselves "are we sure"?


I'll reserve judgement till Lisa Su is standing there with one in her hand.

 

[inf64]

Videocardz confirmation? Does that constitute them asking themselves "are we sure"?


I'll reserve judgement till Lisa Su is standing there with one in her hand.

Well we know there IS a 16C part. Mobo vendors had them for 6 months know, the question was whether AMD would launch it now or save it for later. It looks like it's happening. They have a chance to completely dominate intel's HEDT lineup with 2 SKUs on mainstream (albeit pricey) platform. I can't wait to see TR 3000 series, 48 cores @ 3Ghz with high speed DDR4 support?

 

[DrMrLordX]

It would be a real "kick in the teeth", if those really high performance parts were OEM-only.

Indeed. Many of those boutique OEM boxes aren't even that good. Alienware is particularly bad about selling yesterday's halo chips at today's prices.

Maybe the VRM and cooling requirements are such that the 3950X should only be attempted to be system-integrated by "experts"? Granted, we do have plenty of those on this forum, myself hopefully-included. (Though I have yet to build a custom water loop system. Y'all that have, are ahead of me still.)

It shouldn't be that hard. Find a board that has twice the VRM requirements as what you would need for an 8c CPU, and you're in the ballpark. There's all kinds of things that some boutique machine could have misconfigured out of the gate due to cost-cutting or under-the-table payments to use products from a specific brand.

Also, if you want a 3950x, it may be time for you to get your feet wet. I don't see these things doing very well on air. They'll be stuck at or near base clocks during most operations that actually utilize all those cores.

I still feel Intel is going to come out with some core 2 duo type action next year.

They'd better. Going from Intel dominance to AMD dominance in a two-year timespan isn't exactly what the market needed.

Personally, I don’t see the point of 16 cores on AM4 (at what ~$699 or more). Makes much more sense with TR and 4 memory channels.

Let's put this into perspective: to get the same memory bandwidth per core on a 16c system that you would have with an 8c system running DDR4-3200, you would need DDR4-6400. Timings could be relaxed somewhat, but not by too much. It's already going to be hard to service 12c systems with dual-channel DDR4, even with the speed increase. It remains to be seen how bandwidth starvation will affect the 3950x.

factory overclocked 8C (9900KFC) chip.

The Finger Lickin Good 9900KFC is actually a 9900K without the iGPU. The Factory OC OMGWTFBBQ edition is the 9900KS. Clear as mud.

We are the only winners really when there is good competition.

Exactly. Intel better bring their A game. The audience has no time for 2016's CPUs anymore.

Don't forget Ryzen 3000 will support higher clocked DDR4 so mem. BW will be a lot higher if you can afford it.

See above, I don't think we'll see many systems running faster than DDR4-4666. Maybe DDR4-5000 in a few cases. Regardless, that'd be about the same as running 8c Matisse with DDR4-2400.

seems someone tested 16C with LN2 and got 54xx score in R15, praising that efficiency is pretty high

It's always good to see someone bust out the LN2. I'd rather see more air/water overclocks, though, like we did from Conroe in late 2005 and early 2006 . . .

 

[exquisitechar]

Videocardz confirmation? Does that constitute them asking themselves "are we sure"?


I'll reserve judgement till Lisa Su is standing there with one in her hand.

Videocardz is usually right, they probably verified the source. They claim there was a press event yesterday. Also, their source for the 3950x is the same as their source for their Navi leak, which I think is almost certainly correct.

It would also be very bland for a fake leak. A 16c/32t SKU with a +100MHz turbo over the 3900x is exactly as expected...the only question has been, when is it launching? All will be revealed soon enough.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What content creators using desktop machines will need more than 64GB?

Any (competent) professional working on a large scale is going to be looking a suitable platform, with all that entails; i.e. not ATX.

Who needs more than 640k of memory.

 

[zinfamous]

Dude Larry is the CMOS GOD in my book.

Back on topic....sort of


It's gonna get real intel has come out hitting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000?amp



I love how we have the two of them battling each other again. Better choices for all of us.
I still feel Intel is going to come out with some core 2 duo type action next year.

Edit: @Markfw sorry for making you edit a bunch of posts

I hope Intel accepts that contemporary "Real World Gaming" means live streaming at the same time. This was not a good idea for them, tbh.

 

[Atari2600]

Who needs more than 640k of memory.

Ha, yes very good!

Of course, that quote is attributed to Bill forecasting over eternity [which I'm not sure is accurate].

I'm only forecasting over the lifespan of Zen3 being (relatively) cutting edge parts, so say within the next 3 years or thereabouts.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ha, yes very good!

Of course, that quote is attributed to Bill forecasting over eternity [which I'm not sure is accurate].

I'm only forecasting over the lifespan of Zen3 being (relatively) cutting edge parts, so say within the next 3 years or thereabouts.

Agreed and I agree 32GB should be more than fine.
Personally I like the ability to have a bigger e-peen and maybe actually have that amount of memory.

 

[exquisitechar]

More 3600 GB results.

 

[maddie]

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Let's put this into perspective: to get the same memory bandwidth per core on a 16c system that you would have with an 8c system running DDR4-3200, you would need DDR4-6400. Timings could be relaxed somewhat, but not by too much. It's already going to be hard to service 12c systems with dual-channel DDR4, even with the speed increase. It remains to be seen how bandwidth starvation will affect the 3950x.
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Is it really the memory bandwidth that's the issue, or Zen 1 memory access intricacies? Intel seems able to adequately service 8 fast cores with 2400MHz ram. Perhaps AMD has corrected some of the extreme ram latency/speed sensitivity with Zen2. Should have been an obvious to-do item after Zen1.

 

[MBrown]

The Finger Lickin Good 9900KFC is actually a 9900K without the iGPU. The Factory OC OMGWTFBBQ edition is the 9900KS. Clear as mud.

This actually made me LOL in my professional work environment at work. Well done.

 

[tamz_msc]

More 3600 GB results.

The one with the 3200 MHz memory looks promising. Multi-core score seems to scale with memory speeds, this one is over 29000 points, the previous ones with 2667 MHz memory were around 27000 points.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Is it really the memory bandwidth that's the issue, or Zen 1 memory access intricacies? Intel seems able to adequately service 8 fast cores with 2400MHz ram. Perhaps AMD has corrected some of the extreme ram latency/speed sensitivity with Zen2. Should have been an obvious to-do item after Zen1.

Good question! We don't exactly know what is the minimum bandwidth for proper operation of a 8c Matisse, so it's difficult to estimate what a 16c monster will need before it undergoes starvation.

Maybe someone with a 3800x at fixed clocks can try running single-channel and double-channel mode to help us find the actual bandwidth requirements for the platform. Cutting channels in half is the only easy way to reduce bandwidth without notably affecting latency.

This actually made me LOL in my professional work environment at work. Well done.

Heh woops. Hope the boss didn't notice.

 

[Ajay]

What content creators using desktop machines will need more than 64GB?

Any (competent) professional working on a large scale is going to be looking a suitable platform, with all that entails; i.e. not ATX.

Fair enough. Sorry, I was pretty snarky yesterday because Vettel lost the Canadian Grand Prix due to a stupid call by the race stewards.