That's the other thing I think people miss. AM4 is a huge compromise to keep the Zif socket and maintain support for APU's and CPU's on the same platform. I don't think their is enough IO, pins, or basically anything to support a Video output on Mattiase and honestly I don't think it makes a difference if it Vega 3 or Vega 11.I think the reason is a I/O limit, rather than space to provide just a basic GPU... also the encoder block was not needed.
I think the reason is the same one of why Ryzen APU are limited to 8x mas PCIe... i belive they are using the pci-e lanes to provide video output.
In the past years I always wanted to live in a world where all that intel and its collateral people can say as a saving grace is quicksyncWhich, last I saw a comparison, was the worst of the three. All three are also only as good as the support in software. Both Edius and Premier have support for Quicksync, and at least according to HardwareCanucks, it's about twice as fast. iirc, Premier also has or had support for cuda as well, but the last numbers I saw on that weren't anything to write home about. Edius uses the QS hardware for decode acceleration as well, and that makes it a lot easier to have a real-time 4k60p timeline during editing, which my 2950 struggles with (after a few edits). In my opinion, that's more valuable than encode acceleration, because I'm happy to let my 4k encodes run overnight.... Even better would be if Neat could be hardware accelerated -- denoising is currently an absolute hog.
All three hardware solutions suffer from being restricted to 4:2:0 video, and so I've frequently dropped the idea of "someone" leap-frogging this stuff and, say, replacing a few of those chiplets with some dedicated hardware for 8k-sized, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 hardware decode/encode. I think I was also pretty careful to mention that they need to engage software vendors, otherwise the hardware is going to wind up being pointless. I've also spent some time in the Edius forums asking for them to get nvenc working (nvenc has actually seen updates, I haven't heard hide nor hair of VCE :shrug: -- I think AMD has other struggles with their gpus).
Thus far, only Intel has gotten traction. :sigh:
it was always 7th July, but I have no idea about what time. All Su has said about today wa the start of pre-orders. But I have yet to see oneI kept hearing originally that today would be the review embargo lift for Zen 2. However, it seems like there would have already been some reviews posted. In the last week, rumors have shifted to the embargo being lifted on release day.
Do we have any official date/time? Clearly, it seems to not be today, as they would have almost certainly been released by this time of day.
A compromise, which was most likely born out of financial considerations / boundaries rather than out of humanitary good will, but it benefits almost all AMD customers hugely, neverthelessThat's the other thing I think people miss. AM4 is a huge compromise to keep the Zif socket and maintain support for APU's and CPU's on the same platform. I don't think their is enough IO, pins, or basically anything to support a Video output on Mattiase and honestly I don't think it makes a difference if it Vega 3 or Vega 11.
it was always 7th July, but I have no idea about what time. All Su has said about today wa the start of pre-orders. But I have yet to see one
The term "pre-order" almost guarantees that we can order sometime this week.
Precision Boost Overdrive on X570 = +200mhz
Ryzen 9 3950X @ 4.9GHX stock PBO anyone ?
3950X should be able to go to 4.9Ghz (ST) with XFR/PBO on premium AIR/WC.He rights backwards like a pro. I'd rather have seen a live demo, but its better than nothing I guess.
It was a specific request of the OEMs. Not to beat a dead horse. But this also plays a part in the A320 convo's from earlier. AMD had almost no penetration in the OEM's. They went to them and said "Hey I am making a new platform and I want to know what you guys would like to see from it". They wanted one platform for CPU and APU, they wanted it Zif for cost, and they needed a compatible APU before RR (Bristol Ridge). AMD told them it would compromise IO on both APU's and CPU's to keep it on a zif socket. They were okay with what AMD had to cut out. The point that circles back is its not just a compromise in technology internally or financially. It's a compromise with the OEM's to get buy in on their new product.A compromise, which was most likely born out of financial considerations / boundaries rather than out of humanitary good will, but it benefits almost all AMD customers hugely, nevertheless
AMD has VCE.
The format is h.264. x264 is a software encoder implementation of it. Quicksync, NVENC and VCE are hardware implementations of a couple of codecs, one of which is h.264.
It was a specific request of the OEMs. Not to beat a dead horse. But this also plays a part in the A320 convo's from earlier. AMD had almost no penetration in the OEM's. They went to them and said "Hey I am making a new platform and I want to know what you guys would like to see from it". They wanted one platform for CPU and APU, they wanted it Zif for cost, and they needed a compatible APU before RR (Bristol Ridge). AMD told them it would compromise IO on both APU's and CPU's to keep it on a zif socket. They were okay with what AMD had to cut out. The point that circles back is its not just a compromise in technology internally or financially. It's a compromise with the OEM's to get buy in on their new product.
seeing that the downsides turned out to be not too big of a deal, I'm quite glad they did soIt was a specific request of the OEMs. Not to beat a dead horse. But this also plays a part in the A320 convo's from earlier. AMD had almost no penetration in the OEM's. They went to them and said "Hey I am making a new platform and I want to know what you guys would like to see from it". They wanted one platform for CPU and APU, they wanted it Zif for cost, and they needed a compatible APU before RR (Bristol Ridge). AMD told them it would compromise IO on both APU's and CPU's to keep it on a zif socket. They were okay with what AMD had to cut out. The point that circles back is its not just a compromise in technology internally or financially. It's a compromise with the OEM's to get buy in on their new product.
then my mind must have blended that bit into her speech thanks for the infoApparently this is misinformation. She never said anything about preorders during computex. This rumor comes from some guy at gamers nexus, or so I’ve heard. So 6 more days for us.
I have a feeling AM5 will be LGA. By then AMD won't be at the mercy of the OEM's so much.
I've never been big on pre-ordering anyway. I like to give them a month or two to get all the bios patches, Windows drivers etc in order. Let the impatient do the beta testing. ;-)The term "pre-order" almost guarantees that we can order sometime this week.
See the builders thread. NO pre-orders. I was wrong.I've never been big on pre-ordering anyway. I like to give them a month or two to get all the bios patches, Windows drivers etc in order. Let the impatient do the beta testing. ;-)
I kept hearing originally that today would be the review embargo lift for Zen 2. However, it seems like there would have already been some reviews posted. In the last week, rumors have shifted to the embargo being lifted on release day.
Do we have any official date/time? Clearly, it seems to not be today, as they would have almost certainly been released by this time of day.
That's the other thing I think people miss. AM4 is a huge compromise to keep the Zif socket and maintain support for APU's and CPU's on the same platform. I don't think their is enough IO, pins, or basically anything to support a Video output on Mattiase and honestly I don't think it makes a difference if it Vega 3 or Vega 11.
https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2011645-1-1.html
this guy has a low-end sku(3600?) and has 1.64v@5.1Ghz, but they also said temperature is not good and OC headroom is very limited.
now I begin to doubt Chiphell is not a reliable source anymore, all good&bad news flowed out just from this, I wont quote their rumor again. I must say sorry here about the '5Ghz' rumor(whatever 1core or all core) which was from them
Curious why you think they will go lga, it was my understanding that pga and zif were a more durable connector due to pins being more substantial in size on pga than lga. Is there a major bandwidth difference?I have a feeling AM5 will be LGA. By then AMD won't be at the mercy of the OEM's so much.
That s 90% more power than at stock 4.2GHz, if a 3600 use say 65W@4.2GHz then this sample is at 125W@5.1GHz.
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https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2019/06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x470-review/