If they do a new APU, they will certainly use Navi ... Navi is a 7nm design == no graphics in the IOC.
https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-3900x-Cache-Wraith/dp/B07SXMZLP9/See the builders thread. NO pre-orders. I was wrong.
If they do a new APU, they will certainly use Navi ... Navi is a 7nm design == no graphics in the IOC.
no consumer APU will happen with HBM in at least 5 years.
You're arguing quite cool, so I didn't hit the disagree button, but I still disagree completely.Nah. That would be negligence or total failure by AMD to bring a very appealing solution to market. It is blatantly obvious that a small footprint System-in-Package with low-power and high-performance CPU+GPU+RAM would be an excellent solution for premium thin-and-light devices, even if the (initial) production cost is high. I've always had a hunch that Intel's cooperation with AMD on Kaby Lake-G was a response to AMD's obvious longterm plans. With 7nm Zen 2 having premium performance-per-watt and 7nm Navi extending the integrated graphics lead, AMD should finally have best-in-class mobile SKUs that appeal to the OEMs — even the top dogs, i.e. Apple and Microsoft.
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Speculation: AMD's APU with HBM
Probably an error or someone getting themselves into trouble. Looks like they're no longer up.Whaaaat
Why is Europe getting pre-orders but not the US? Is that a third party?
guys... please understand, that no consumer APU will happen with HBM in at least 5 years. 100%
What is your reasoning for that if you don't mind?
Because HBM is too expensive on top of already expensive 7nm.
Probably an error or someone getting themselves into trouble. Looks like they're no longer up.
You're arguing quite cool, so I didn't hit the disagree button, but I still disagree completely.
I don't think a cheap APU is a priority. At all.
Lisa Su has explicitly said that part of AMD's refocusing was a shift to high performance high margin parts.
I don't think a cheap APU is a priority. At all.
Also, wow at Microcenter clearing out 2000-series parts. Ryzen 2700X for $199, wow. Someone knows what the 3000 series is bringing...
Well. I guess you actually agree with me, i.e. that if we do not get an APU with HBM from AMD they have abjectly failed to bring a good solution to market, due to being unable to bring down the cost to a level fit for the consumer market — assuming that cost is your primary argument.
It's not AMDs fault, simply the fact that a large portion of users don't need that bandwidth
Save yourself more money and go for 3600 instead, as it is bound to be faster in games than 2700X.I'm seriously wondering whether to just save myself $130 and go 2700x instead of 3700x. Especially when the primary use is gaming at 3440x1440.
You could see it that way, yes, however I think they've found much more lucrative things to do since that plan was formed in the first place - same with almost all RTG projects back then. If you remember, there were some projects echoing in the ether about mid-sized and a couple of bigger real APUs with HBM for HPC, but they were all cancelled, I think that IF may have proved to be good enough for the time being for bigger things, and for the very small consumer-budget APUs it is totally unnecessary at the moment, given intel's nonexistent threat. It could be a lot better of course, but it's way more than good enough for beating the shite out of intel (although they may have 1-2 quarters of low quantity laptop sales coupled with slightly better than Zen+ APU graphics with ICL till Renoir comes out). I'm glad you didn't get me wrong, because I am sad and disappointed about this, but I am totally sure that they won't release any consumer APUs with HBM in the foreseeable future.Well. I guess you actually agree with me, i.e. that if we do not get an APU with HBM from AMD they have abjectly failed to bring a good solution to market, due to being unable to drive down the cost to a level fit for the consumer market — assuming that cost is your primary argument. The advantages to footprint, performance and power (in particular, savings in the memory interface) are hard to argue against.
Where we seemingly disagree is that you have no belief in AMD and partners to drive down the cost within the next 5 years, while I expect AMD to do so. I think they will have fallen short of target if not. I take it that HBM developer Joe Macri's aim at AMD was (and is) to see this technology adopted in the mainstream sooner than later. Hopefully, cost will come down to push this innovation. As @NostaSeronx points out, low-cost HBM is in development.
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/hbm
Its now a broken linkWhaaaat
Why is Europe getting pre-orders but not the US? Is that a third party?
To be fair, it's not like AMD haven't paper-launched CPUs before. And it's not like they wouldn't be able to get away with it, given that Intel appear to have nothing but a very slightly better-binned 9900K scheduled on the desktop for the rest of this year.I’m starting to think inventory will be limited, weird how AMD never said anything about a pre order date, weird how they’ve still said nothing, weird how they haven’t even reinforced their much earlier claim that there will be inventory, weird how we are not seeing vendor employees leak inventory pictures. Admittedly that last part is still sort of early.
I have been debating 6 vs 8 core. But considering how long I'm likely to keep it (I've been on my 2500K for eight years), I've been leaning toward the extra cores. Then again, when I'm keeping it for so long I come full circle and start thinking that splashing out the extra $130 for the newest generation is a tiny amount of money when it's spread over so long.Save yourself more money and go for 3600 instead, as it is bound to be faster in games than 2700X.