What's the motherboard in question if it is indeed the "first" bios my initial guess would be an outright noway hosay as 370 was released for 1st gen Ryzen and definitely needed a Bios flash to support Ryzen+, only other option, borrow a first gen or take it into a shop who you know still stock 1st gen RyzenBTW, related question, will a 2700x work at least to get into bios on the original BIOS on a 370 board ? I sold my 1800x before upgrading the bios.
Also, the threadripper, isn't that socket LGA ?
BTW, related question, will a 2700x work at least to get into bios on the original BIOS on a 370 board ? I sold my 1800x before upgrading the bios.
Also, the threadripper, isn't that socket LGA ?
Its an X370 Taichi, and I want to use a 2700x to do it. I could try but its kind of a pain if there is no way it will work. Still waiting on bios for 3900x for X470 Taichi..... Not yet.Does the board support BIOS flashback (i.e. flashing without using a CPU?)
Waits for the first person to try a 3900x on an A320 board
Don't cut corners (on the mobo), get a rock-solid motherboard (that won't have short changed on VRMs etc) and the best value mid-range CPU.
Then in a few years time you go out and buy the best value mid-range CPU at that time and drop it in.
Hey presto, a big advance in performance for not a massive outlay.
Wouldn't any cpu coming out in a few years require a new motherboard though? I was under the impression that the current socket will only be compatible for one more generation after the one coming out shortly.
Hopefully my wish of a 4.4/4.5ghz all core 3600 will be likely then, sure 5ghz would be awesome but I'm somewhat realistic
yeah the author also said Zen2 OC headroom is not that big though, most stall at 4.6Ghz, a few 4.7-4.8, you have to win the silicon lottery to get 5, also voltage is not decent. We have to get realistic at last. (sounds like he has tested bunches of zen2)
maybe we could put a little more hope at PBO
I think the jury is still out on Zen 3 being on AM4.
Forrest Norrod: DDR5 is a different design. It will be on a different socket. We've already said Milan is a mid-2020 platform, and we've already said that's socket SP3, so DDR4 will still be used for Milan.
Might want to head over to the builder's thread. The stock cooler for the 3700x should be the same one for the 3600 - matched to TDP of 65W. If you want more out of the chip, you're going to need a bigger HSF. Fortunately, there are some options out there that are reasonably-priced and perform quite well.
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Yeah if i was into overclocking i wouldn't go with anything but like a NH-D15 but i have been out of the overclocking game since i overclocked a Q6600 back in 2008 lol. 25% overclock was easy. When i did overclock i always put on the biggest dang air cooler i could find. Kind of lost my extreme ways but i have been looking at things from a practical point now i guess. If stock works for stock clocks, why bother with a aftermarket unless your just not into the noise right?
yeah the author also said Zen2 OC headroom is not that big though, most stall at 4.6Ghz, a few 4.7-4.8, you have to win the silicon lottery to get 5, also voltage is not decent. We have to get realistic at last. (sounds like he has tested bunches of zen2)
maybe we could put a little more hope at PBO
Really depends on what your expectations of what is or isn't "stock".
Wouldn't any cpu coming out in a few years require a new motherboard though? I was under the impression that the current socket will only be compatible for one more generation after the one coming out shortly.
I mean... if it's 3.5 GHz only but beats everything at its price point, is there ANY significance to the maximum clockspeed? I don't think so.I don't think anyone really cares if it hits 5ghz or not. A couple hundred mhz is plenty.
I mean... if it's 3.5 GHz only but beats everything at its price point, is there ANY significance to the maximum clockspeed?..
I am going to build a Zen 2 rig. However, I have a 240mm AIO Ryzen 1200 with a top of the line B350 MSI Carbon gaming motherboard right now. If the price of the 2700/2700x drops to the $150 range or less. Should I sit on the sidelines for a few months for Zen 2 and drop in a 2700x if they have fire sale prices?
My logic is that the Zen 2 parts bios and will mature within a few months and prices will drop around black friday. Better yields as the 7nm line improves.
I am a bit deflated seeing the prices for the x570 motherboards.
. Which, maybe they'd be able to do some hybrid design, where 2021 they could move to 4 channel DDR4 on consumer
but then in 2022 switchover to DDR5
Good point on both the 6c/12t and 12c/24t parts. Seems like AMD is playing this clever trying to move the focus away from the (for them more valuable) 8c chiplets toward the 6c chiplets.Yep, this approach makes a lot of sense from the value perspective. The sweet spots were 6c/12t and the low-end 8c/16t parts. With the advent of 2 chiplet parts, that is now changing. The 6c/12t sweet spot remains, but 8c/16t is no longer as good a value per-core.
Consider that I spent $499 on a Ryzen 7 1800X at launch, which at the time was a really good deal for a top tier 8c/16t CPU. That same $499 will get you a ultra high end 12c/24t part this time around, with IPC and frequency gains to boot.
Not e-peen, cinebench!B-b-but... Clock-Peen. It's like e-peen, but faster.
Back in the day, AMD had simultaneous support for DDR2 and DDR3... and that was without the IO die essentially making that task much easier.
(and DDR5 isn't going to fix GPU bandwidth issues of APUs - it'll help but it'd still need more, especially by then; I'd expect AMD to do large cache or a stack of HBM used as cache)
Skylake also supported DDR3. The motherboards were not common, but in mobile it needed DDR3 support because the advantages brought on by DDR3L and LPDDR3 were invaluable.
I was looking through LGA1151 boards and the cheaper ones were mostly DDR3.