Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

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Gideon

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Despite these currently using Picasso (12nm APU) this announcement has Renoir (7nm APU) written all over it, once it becomes available. The reasons to think so are numerous (and Ryan in the article also hints at some)

From the latest Anandtech article on the subject it seems it is indeed so.
Dr. Ian Cutress said:
In our call we were told that both companies are looking at the next generation of product for this market. Up until this point we were told that his was a ‘multi-year partnership’, but AMD’s commentary clarified that the collaboration is going to be over multiple generations of hardware and products. Given what we know about AMD’s product cycle time as well as Microsoft’s, we could envisage the next generation being built upon a Zen 2 design with something RDNA related – AMD is expected to release Renoir next year, which might be a push in this direction.
 

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Isn't that how it always is? Apple launched X86 on the Core Dou. Not because it was a worthwhile product to launch on (C2D was), but because it got that ball rolling and acted as a proof of concept and got them to work out bugs and solidify the relationship and product logistics ahead of a switch. My guess is MS got some tape outs maybe even ES eval units made some mockups for the Surface Pro and Surface books (two products without a release this gen) and were sold. In the meantime AMD gives MS their own sku for the absolute top crop of Picasso's to throw into the only system that could really allow them to shine.
 

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As far as i see, at this Indian retailer Ryzen 5 3500 is now in stock and available for purchase.


 
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Isn't that how it always is? Apple launched X86 on the Core Dou. Not because it was a worthwhile product to launch on (C2D was), but because it got that ball rolling and acted as a proof of concept and got them to work out bugs and solidify the relationship and product logistics ahead of a switch. My guess is MS got some tape outs maybe even ES eval units made some mockups for the Surface Pro and Surface books (two products without a release this gen) and were sold. In the meantime AMD gives MS their own sku for the absolute top crop of Picasso's to throw into the only system that could really allow them to shine.
you are wrong for comparing apple move to (core 2) as the same as Microsoft move to amd apu it is not the same apple before moving to (core 2) was using (power pc) but Microsoft has been using x86 since ages. intel and amd have the same (ISA) but the microArchitecture is different for example (ringbus and infintfabric) so Microsoft needs to improve windows scheduler to be ccx aware and decrease idel power consumption and that is all they have to do
 

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you are wrong for comparing apple move to (core 2) as the same as Microsoft move to amd apu it is not the same apple before moving to (core 2) was using (power pc) but Microsoft has been using x86 since ages. intel and amd have the same (ISA) but the microArchitecture is different for example (ringbus and infintfabric) so Microsoft needs to improve windows scheduler to be ccx aware and decrease idel power consumption and that is all they have to do

There are some software fixes. But whether its Apple or Microsoft the point was the supply and logistics side of it. By most measurements and specially considering the timing, Apple could have waited out for the C2D and been at the same result. From everything I heard at the time, that was the CPU they wanted and wanted to make sure when that came out they had all the issues fixed. For them more then MS it was a pipecleaner for software yes, but also for all the other issues with changing suppliers. This could be more of the supply side because as we know the real gem for AMD will be with their Zen 2 based products. Just like the original Surface was proof of concept about their designs but Ivy Bridge was the CPU (and therefore the Surface Pro 3) that they were really targeting when they set out to be a PC manufacturer.
 

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You’ll start to see our next-generation mobile products, as well, coming in early 2020. You’ll see 7nm mobile chips that have yet to come to market. That’s a pretty strong portfolio. We’re well underway with Zen 3 as a follow-on, as well, for 2020 — lots of product activity. Even though 2019 was a big product year, I think 2020 will be an even larger product year for us.
Lisa Su, AMD CEO






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Techpowerup about "1usmus custom power plan for Ryzen R9 3900X."




This is not your personal commentary about the article.
The rule is:

edit 08/28/2018:
Do not just drop links without comment. People need to know what are in the links before deciding whether to click on it.
It is your job as a poster to comment on it.



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Techpowerup about "1usmus custom power plan for Ryzen R9 3900X."


Can someone dumb this down and explain it. Is this like a bios thing or something you manually set?
I have a 3800x
 

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Can someone dumb this down and explain it. Is this like a bios thing or something you manually set?
I have a 3800x
It appears to be a Windows setting. You have to make sure the BIOS is set correctly.

(In my case, I believe I can just run the batch file and run with it)
 

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Techpowerup about "1usmus custom power plan for Ryzen R9 3900X."


Man, this is awesome. If they haven't done so already AMD should hire this 1usmus fellow. (who the heck is this guy?!)

This is going from launch frequency deficits to frequency surpluses!!
 
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If anyone wants to know who is 1usmus, he's an active forum participant at OCN and the guy who made the Ryzen Memory Calculator (among other things).
 
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Looks like the Athlon 3000G 2/4 V3 comes to replace the 200GE at $50 and is fully unlocked.

There still room for a Athlon 3100G 4/4 V6 at $75-$80, not sure if they are going to add more Athlons.
 

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There still room for a Athlon 3100G 4/4 V6 at $75-$80, not sure if they are going to add more Athlons.
I believe Dali is going to be exactly this. Not sure if they will drop it in the 3000-series though.

Dali at most should be a 2C/4T w/ 6 to 8 CUs on 128-bit DDR4. With maybe a revision of Dali planned for this: 2x80b DDR5 2x262-pin for FP6+? or 2x80b DDR5 2x288-pin for AM4+?

Raven(0) => 4C/8T & 11 CUs
Raven(1) => 2C/4T & 8 CUs
Raven(2) => 2C/4T & 3 CUs

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AMD apparently is now ripping off Intel's low end core marketing with the Athlon Gold 3150U. Not sure if legit. Despite what it says it is likely Pinnacle Ridge based.
Raven2-based by the way, also it might allow them to toss the a-series naming.

Example purposes only:
So, Ryzen Threadripper, Ryzen, Athlon Gold being the top-line, and FX, Athlon Silver, Sempron being the bottom-line.

Ryzen 3 3200u, Raven2 top part
Athlon Gold 3150u, also Athlon 300u, Raven2 middle part
Athlon Silver 3100u, originally: A9-9435, Stoney Ridge top part
Athlon Silver 3050u, originally: A6-9235, Stoney Ridge top part
Also, allows for Sempron 3000u, which will probably be a 2C/2CU part.

It will probably be more significant with Dali parts.
 
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Is the Athlon 3000G really 12nm Picasso? AMD website says that it is 14nm. I know it could be wrong but all other information is right. I ask this because i think it could be a Banded Kestrel, if 14nm is right.
 

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Is the Athlon 3000G really 12nm Picasso? AMD website says that it is 14nm. I know it could be wrong but all other information is right. I ask this because i think it could be a Banded Kestrel, if 14nm is right.
It isn't 12nm, it is 14nm Boost. It is officially called Raven2. R1606G/R1505G have RV2 designation as well as Ryzen 3200u, Athlon 300u/Athlon Gold 3150u, and this Athlon 3000G also is RV2.

Banded Kestral => 1x DDR4-3200 (never launched) // direct successor to Prairie Falcon (under Embedded roadmap)
Raven2 => 2x DDR4-2400(15w-25w)/2x DDR4-2667(35w) (launched) // not a successor to Prairie Falcon, but rather a successor to Brown Falcon. (under Embedded roadmap)
 
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