Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[arandomguy]

I'm just gonna throw this out there, what if they look at Threadripper 2 and how certain configurations don't have access to memory controllers on the same die?

So we have a monolithic 8 core die or even 4 core die with full IO. APUs have a connected GPU chiplet. Desktop 12/16 cores have a connected 8 core chiplet. HEDT/Threadripper would have 2 of these + 2 CPU chiplets and still 4 memory channels as well.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

The problem I'm seeing is if idle power usage is above the typical laptop TDP ranges; 19-35w TDP. We won't be seeing Zen 2 laptop CPUs for a while though, so maybe I'm overthinking it a bit.

 

[moinmoin]

The problem I'm seeing is if idle power usage is above the typical laptop TDP ranges; 19-35w TDP. We won't be seeing Zen 2 laptop CPUs for a while though, so maybe I'm overthinking it a bit.

I'd say you won't see IOC's where idle power usage is above the typical laptop TDP ranges in typical (non-stationary) laptops. That of course would mean the IOC is not the same (fully featured) as used on desktop and in servers.

 

[CHADBOGA]

So when will people be able to actually buy a Ryzen 3000 series CPU from a regular store like Newegg?

 

[DrMrLordX]

So when will people be able to actually buy a Ryzen 3000 series CPU from a regular store like Newegg?

I'm still pulling for April. If AMD is in a good mood, they should tell us something at CES in a few days.

 

[amd6502]

http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3300.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3300X.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3600.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3600X.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3700.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-3700X.htm
http://www.e-katalog.ru/AMD-RYZEN-9-MATISSE.htm

Edit: Actually it's the entire line-up except the R9 3850X.

Someone in thread said this was essentially from adoredtv which I don't think is a credible source at all. It seems to be a lineup speculated assuming two chiplet consumer ryzen CPUs. I don't completely rule out multi-chiplet consumer ryzen, but it seems much more cost efficient and low complexity, low latency, higher consumer value and a better fit to desired consumer price range to be using single chiplet for at least the bulk of the mainstream ryzens.

A single chiplet IO driver would have the advantages of omitting pretty complex cache coherency logic. This is something that would have significant advantages: primarily lower design complexity (advantages for project cost $$ and time to market), less area and transistors, and lower latency.

If I'm wrong I'll be pleasantly surprised though.

 

[TheGiant]

My prediction

top 8C/16T ryzen 3 - turbo 4,3GHz 65W power, turbo 4,8GHz 115W real power
top 16C/32T ryzen 3- turbo 4,4GHz 150W, turbo 4,8GHz 165W real power draw

 

[EXCellR8]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-3800x-matisse-listed-with-16-cores-and-125w-tdp

Any credible sources for the Ryzen 9 processor? Nearly 4Ghz boost clock on 16 cores would be pretty nice, theoretically.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

All the articles today are based on a Russian website listing, and it seems to borrow all the specs from the Adoredtv video from maybe 3 weeks ago.
Nothing new.

 

[Adawy]

Well, spreading false information from such a reputable retail website is a bad image, I really hope that their sources are legit and didn't just copy and paste those specifications from AdoredTV. That would be utter incompetence.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

If it isn't false then the 3600X is going to comfortably beat a 9900K at stock, and for less than half the price according to the old Adoredtv leak.
8c/16t 4.0GHz base, 4.8GHz turbo, @ 95w TDP.
The 9900K can go 24/7 at 4.2GHz within 95w TDP, and I suspect that the 3600X will be doing close to 4.5GHz 24/7 within 95w TDP. With the speculated IPC increase of 9-15%, and only being 3% behind currently, that puts it comfortably ahead.
That being said, Ryzen needs significant memory latency improvements too, otherwise those gains won't necessarily translate into gaming gains. For sure, some of the IPC gains must be down to improved memory latencies though, otherwise they'd have left some theoretically low hanging fruit for the next gen.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, spreading false information from such a reputable retail website is a bad image, I really hope that their sources are legit and didn't just copy and paste those specifications from AdoredTV. That would be utter incompetence.

I’m not trying to be sarcastic and I’m no expert in this area.

Are any Russian e-commerce sites reputable?

 

[Kenmitch]

End game is near if latest rumors are true. Interesting times ahead if so.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

End game is near if latest rumors are true. Interesting times ahead if so.

Not really, even if AMD beats the crap out of Intel for two years they’ll get lazy and intel will comeback hard. That’s the way things work.
Good to see new processors with actual new technology in them instead of the steady intel tweaks we’ve been seeing for the last 5 years.

 

[mattiasnyc]

If it isn't false then the 3600X is going to comfortably beat a 9900K at stock, and for less than half the price according to the old Adoredtv leak.

I don't really see why AMD would choose to beat a 9900K with a 3600X for half the price. Surely anything that beats the 9900K on a similar platform (AM4) should have at least a similar price. Anything else would be daft financially.

 

[maddie]

I’m not trying to be sarcastic and I’m no expert in this area.

Are any Russian e-commerce sites reputable?

If genuine, so depressing.

Do you remember what was said about Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Indian, etc companies. ALL countries have examples of both the worst and the best in most areas.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If genuine, so depressing.

Do you remember what was said about Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Indian, etc companies. ALL countries have examples of both the worst and the best in most areas.

Off topic so my final post. All of those countries listed except Japan, I’d use a pre-paid debit card to order stuff from.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

That depends upon your aim.
If your goal is to maximise profits whilst maintaining market share, sure charge extortionate prices.
If your goal is growth on market share, and longer term financial well being, price gouging is a terrible idea.
My biggest doubt about such low pricing is its impact upon future sales across the industry; there's little need to upgrade if what you can get now is that much more than you even need.

 

[ub4ty]

Not really, even if AMD beats the crap out of Intel for two years they’ll get lazy and intel will comeback hard. That’s the way things work.
Good to see new processors with actual new technology in them instead of the steady intel tweaks we’ve been seeing for the last 5 years.

You're missing the point of things.
The agenda of AMD is to ensure there's nothing for Intel to come back to.
AMD is king of value 8 core. They are also king of value up to 16 core.
They are also king of value up to 32 core.
Now comes 64 core.

In 2 years, there will be nothing for Intel to return to. AMD will have established unbeatable value from 8-64 core. What can Intel do 2 years down the road to change this other than undercutting AMD which they seemingly can't?
That's actually how this game is being played thus the codename 'Rome'.
"All Roads Lead to Rome"

It's essentially over for 5 years or more.
This is what happens when you have a good architecture and roadmap.
Whether or not a consumer figures this out for themselves is up to them. I have better things to spend my money on than overpriced intel processors.

Nothing Intel can do short of literally pricing their processors at the same price points as AMD and beating them on performance will get me to go back to Intel. If you think they can do this in 2 years or even 5 ....

Core count and gate shrink... 7nm/64 core.
You've already hit a near-term/mid-term terminal point in computing and AMD got there first.

After this, the big action is going to be in super low latency storage and memory just like the previous cycle.

 

[ub4ty]

I don't really see why AMD would choose to beat a 9900K with a 3600X for half the price. Surely anything that beats the 9900K on a similar platform (AM4) should have at least a similar price. Anything else would be daft financially.

I'll let AMD's business development group determine that.
Intel doesn't set standards anymore. So, there's no reason to reference a single one of their processors or price points. Their price points are absurd. So, I'd expect far better value propositions than an absurdly priced 9900k 8 core processor that is currently priced above AMD's 16 core processor with far more I/O. The 9900k was irrelevant and overpriced on launch. So, it's not a benchmark to reference. AMD is after market share buy-in not greedy quick money like Intel. It's why they are gaining market share as Intel is losing theirs. The price/value is a big part of that. There's absolutely no reason to change this winning strategy.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You're missing the point of things.
The agenda of AMD is to ensure there's nothing for Intel to come back to.
AMD is king of value 8 core. They are also king of value up to 16 core.
They are also king of value up to 32 core.
Now comes 64 core.

In 2 years, there will be nothing for Intel to return to. AMD will have established unbeatable value from 8-64 core. What can Intel do 2 years down the road to change this other than undercutting AMD which they seemingly can't?
That's actually how this game is being played thus the codename 'Rome'.
"All Roads Lead to Rome"

It's essentially over for 5 years or more.
This is what happens when you have a good architecture and roadmap.
Whether or not a consumer figures this out for themselves is up to them. I have better things to spend my money on than overpriced intel processors.

Nothing Intel can do short of literally pricing their processors at the same price points as AMD and beating them on performance will get me to go back to Intel. If you think they can do this in 2 years or even 5 ....

Core count and gate shrink... 7nm/64 core.
You've already hit a near-term/mid-term terminal point in computing and AMD got there first.

After this, the big action is going to be in super low latency storage and memory just like the previous cycle.

I see and I agree, I think we are approaching the apex of what can be expected for improvements. I think we are approaching a point where less will be more, like very low powered machines that do everything thrown at them good enough for nearly everyone.
I used to think there would be some sort of manufacturing change that would totally reinvent the PC business however I can’t imagine an application for home use that would require a massive step up in performance.
I’m sure we’ll see crazy stuff regarding big data machines, I’m not so sure we’ll see anything but cheaper chips with lower lifespans on the consumer end.

 

[naukkis]

I don't really see why AMD would choose to beat a 9900K with a 3600X for half the price. Surely anything that beats the 9900K on a similar platform (AM4) should have at least a similar price. Anything else would be daft financially.

Intel sells 9900K for that price because they can't produce them in high volume(14nm). 3600x instead is mid-tier volume model(7nm) and AMD will get plenty of profits by selling it with half the price of 9900K. And plenty more profits by selling higher-end models.

Cpu business will take hit on margins if being one step behind competition......

 

[maddie]

That depends upon your aim.
If your goal is to maximise profits whilst maintaining market share, sure charge extortionate prices.
If your goal is growth on market share, and longer term financial well being, price gouging is a terrible idea.
My biggest doubt about such low pricing is its impact upon future sales across the industry; there's little need to upgrade if what you can get now is that much more than you even need.

One possibility is the upcoming game systems and what are the games in development. PS5 has been laid out for a good while now and the developers are far along in coding for it. For certain, AMD is fully in the loop and have been and are making decisions based on these realities.

What if a 16 thread CPU is fully utilized with the new crop of games for the next generation consoles? I can easily see many desktop users upgrading to 8C & 12C Cpus for the Ryzen 4xxx and the following generations. Wow, imagine a day when a 8C is seen as the barely acceptable minimum.

 

[ElFenix]

I think we are approaching a point where less will be more, like very low powered machines that do everything thrown at them good enough for nearly everyone.

so, phones.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

so, phones.

Exactly, phones & TVs