ub4ty
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Just glanced at the 9900k reviews from this site, HardOCP, Tom's Hardware and Gamer's Nexus. Unless I missed something, every single one shows the 9900k to be faster for gaming in every single game across a large range of titles from FPS to RTS. You are making a statement that goes against the evidence, please back up your statement with evidence from reliable sources.
Any game that the 2700x performs better than a 9900k on will be an extreme outlier ...
3rd video down when you google 2700x vs 9900k
FPS is all over the place. For the most part, the 9900k beats the 2700x which it better with 500-700mhz clock advance. However, sometimes the FPS is neck to neck and sometimes the 2700x surprisingly beats the 9900k even though it is -500 to 700mhz slower. Given how much a CPU can do in 10ms and how underutilized they are... Yeah, I'm go to go right ahead and state that its crappy programming. One thread slammed to 100% and others at 20% or 0%. Games are not written for 8 core processors. Windows scheduler is most definitely slamming threads around all over the place behind the scenes mucking up things for a NUMA based CPU.
Now, if you want to find me a detailed analysis like I requested showing a interaction/timing diagram of every component in the system and where the real bottlenecks are, I'm all ears on this topic. Until then, and given the limitations of the human visual cortex, I'm going to call this : An excessive FPS obsession over the top performance which isn't even perceivable in real world scenarios and just amounts to endless and pointless performance metric gloating. Something I don't buy my computer hardware based on...
What is most of all hilarious to me is that, over the christmas break, I played on an "ancient" PS4 and I had the best gaming experience of my life... The graphics were amazing. Meanwhile, it's 30-60fps and complete console costs as much as just an Intel CPU. But here we are for the 1000th and 1 time in the PC centering on silly metrics that are imperceivable that less than 1% of the market actually goes out and purchases for their gaming experience. Completely stunned that a 2700x can be neck to neck or beat a 9900k in gaming performance (something that should be a GPU bound and centric operation). It's like people want to hang on to any lest shred of reasoning to praise Intel. And I can't voice how tired I am about this kind of discussion. People who openly state : I don't care why or how something works.... Just that it works and I get 'muh fps'. This is why PC gaming almost died and why the majority of gamers are playing pubg/fortnite and on consoles where people aren't arguing about FPS all day long and just want to have fun on bargain basement hardware. Most people could care less about penumbra and FPS. They play games to have fun and socialize not rant and rave about FPS differences that your brain is unable to perceive.
It's not a pipe dream... It's reality which is why the majority of people aren't playing these super high performance requirement games. Do I need a 2080ti and an 9900k to play fortnite? Pubg? You're missing the point all together. No one plays these titles in mass. No one cares about FPS beyond a super small minority. Consoles push frames at 30-60fps. Do you hear anyone crying ad naseum? No, they're too busy enjoying the game. I bet I could sell a 500fps device to some of these kinds of people and they'd buying up like crazy w/o knowing or caring that it only can achieve 200fps. The pipedream is this literal obsession with increase upon increase that diminishing returns. Where's Nvidia's stock right now? What's happening to Geforce 20 sales? What's happening the the sales numbers of $1,000 iphones. There's a point absurdity and PC gamers a deep in it.Sure, I'd love for all games to be so cleanly programmed that they run extremely effiently and don't need high end hardware, but you and I both know that's a pipe dream.
The reality is that literally no one cares about this obsession that plagues the 1% of gamers who want 4k @ 500hz. The reality is that the console market is 30-60fps but here this vocal minority is screaming for triple that. I don't have to hope a game is programmed properly. If it doesn't run on the hardware I have dedicated to it, I'm not buying the game. I'm pretty sure the lion share of the market operates this way if you look at steam data which is why only 1-3% of people have 1080tis or higher and the most played games can run at 60fps at 1440p on bargain basement hardware. AMD is right where they need to be and surpassed Intel the moment they released Ryzen. That reality becomes more and ore with each product iteration. Whether they appease the vocal minority who don't serve as their volume consumers is immaterial to their product roadmap. Intel will always likely chuck some turd out the back of a truck which this group will clamor for at double the price of AMD.I deal with reality, not fantasy, and just like "AMD owning the console market will make AMD CPU/GPU game awesome" never came to fruition, hoping for games to be programmed better is a massive waste of breath. The reality is AMD has some serious ground to make up in gaming and it may or may not do that with Zen2. I hope they do.
Dear lord.. I was literally joke about the SLI'd 2080tis... So, you're literally 0.5% of the market. You dropped $2,400 on vidya cards...Most of us running high hz monitors tailor our graphics settings to target high frame rates. SLI 2080TIs are needed for high frame rates.
Consoles run at 30-60fps.. Please find the millions of people who are crying in horror.In most games even a 1070TI will pull high frame rates with appropriate settings, especially at 1080p. Sorry, but going from 60hz to 144hz was huge and anyone that's done it will tell you the same thing. Is 120 to 144hz the same jump, nope and maybe it's not noticeable but I can absolutely tell when framerates are hopping all over and when fps drops down below 100fps. If you want smooth, high frame rates on AAA games like BFV, unfortunately your only option right now is Intel. If you're ok with 60hz AMD becomes an option and a much less expensive one.
Nothing of value changes with higher rates. Maybe your feels.. But nothing changes I can assure you that. You're still going to get your butt kicked by some kid on poverty tier hardware if you're not good at a game and he's going to have just as much fun as you. No one is handing out cookies or awards for FPS. That $2 million dollar formula car exists because it's a profession with prizes, marketing potential, and high tier drivers who are paid to win. Nobody pays the millions of people playing vidya games w/o compensation.
It's a video game for christ sake... and no I can't tell what the FPS is nor do I care because I'm too busy enjoying the game and the players. Everyone swears their some pro-league champion who needs $500 jordans on their feet. This is what happens when a fun niche activity goes mainstream. WE WUZ PRO LEAGUE. There's a point in which a hobby becomes an obsession and sometimes more than that. The only reason people were so critical about performance in the past is because you had 10fps @640x480. The closer to the point you hit literal physical limits of your biological body is when these kinds of obsessions become absurd. If you want high FPS, you're going to get lower quality.. Even your brain operates this way. Until they make cyborg implants, you're never going to get around this. In reality, people are talking about how comfy a 2200G is in pubg :
Meanwhile, the obsessed are saying a 2700x is inadequate.. roflcopter
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