Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[Mockingbird]

This is my point.. That is YOUR conjecture and guess work, you even admit to it! Lol.

Be objective and take leaks with a grain of salt, we will see what is right in a few hours.

Regardless, he's on Twiter right now, backpedaling almost everything he said

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

The whole concept of Fake News is just a pile of nonsense. Just because you don't share the same opinion as someone/something, it doesn't make it fake news.
Whilst the internet does have a problem of mass regurgitation of non-news clickbait, it doesn't make the content itself fake; it's just the modern way of driving ad revenue.

 

[mattiasnyc]

His "source" is a random guy on Reddit.

The guy even posted emails showing him exchanging messages with old Jim (as a prank).

Unfortunately, both the guy and old Jim deleted their reddit accounts, so it's now hard to find.

Sounds plausible.


not.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

Regardless, he's on Twiter right now, backpedaling almost everything he said

The view from your high horse must be great. I guess you've always been right about everything, having never trusted any information that you didn't directly obtain from your horse's mouth itself...
Your vendetta is boring.

 

[OTG]

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Regardless, he's on Twiter right now, backpedaling almost everything he said

So, if he stuck to his guns after receiving newer information, you'd respect him more?
Admitting mistakes isn't a sign of weakness. He's stated more than once that this keynote could hang him out to dry, and is apparently willing to take that risk.
At least he has the balls to do that, what do you have to be proud of? Endless whining on internet tech forums?
Get a life, the rest of us don't give a damn about your personal crusade to make a youtuber look bad.

 

[mattiasnyc]

He uses bits and pieces of information along with his own conjecture to construct his "leaks"

Does he?

I've seen him use bits and pieces of information along with what he calls "leaks" or "sources" to speculate on what we might eventually see, not work the other way around to create "leaks" that never existed.

How do you know these things?

It's not without irony that you're on this personal mission to defame this guy for supposedly not providing any facts, yet you do so consistently without providing any facts for your own criticism of him...

You do see the irony, yes?

 

[french toast]

Speaking of leaks... I read one here in the last few hours that says only the x570 motherboard will bew discussed, and reviews on June 10th, and preoerders on the 1st of July. again, LEAKS, not fact. I am waiting, but not as sure as I was that it will all come out.

Yea that is my fear as well, will be a massive mistake not to unveil the bulk of it with demo imo.
I am stopping up to 3am to watch it in UK lol.. So Lisa better deliver.

 

[Mockingbird]

Does he?

I've seen him use bits and pieces of information along with what he calls "leaks" or "sources" to speculate on what we might eventually see, not work the other way around to create "leaks" that never existed.

How do you know these things?

It's not without irony that you're on this personal mission to defame this guy for supposedly not providing any facts, yet you do so consistently without providing any facts for your own criticism of him...

You do see the irony, yes?

I have an idea of who at AMD gave him information and what information he got.

If you are wondering how I know that, it's because old Jim, himself, told me.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

I don't understand why AMD would focus on X570 at Computex. Surely the mobo manufacturers should be doing that...? Why would they use their keynote to effectively promote companies that would sell you a mobo regardless of your choice of CPU?

 

[Markfw]

I don't understand why AMD would focus on X570 at Computex. Surely the mobo manufacturers should be doing that...? Why would they use their keynote to effectively promote companies that would sell you a mobo regardless of your choice of CPU?

Hey, I just repeated what somebody said... I will be waiting with baited breath. But I have to read the results, since I am deaf. I am sure someone here will watch and post......

 

[Justinbaileyman]

At what time is it taking place again?

 

[DarthKyrie]

10 PM EDT

 

[Shivansps]

Nothing is decided that far out yes, but meetings and idea's are, placeholder internal road maps are, this doesn't invalidate anything so far.
If we don't get to a 5ghz turbo then that will be a black mark.

Very unlikely since the table with the potential "placeholder and internal roadmaps" was missing Picasso Refresh from the list, and i have really no way to fit them in and instead future APUs that are like a year away from now at least are in, that makes no sence.

Lets be honest here, he was right about the chiplets(more than 8C on AM4 comes along with the chiplets), but it wasnt the only person to bring up that posibility, not sure who was the first either, i think we had a thread on this very forum when something like that came up. If people ends up dissapointed of the Ryzen 3000 is going to be all on him.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Why is this Jim guy so popular anyway? Seems to me most of his rumors turn out wrong.

Very disappointing if the new boards don't support 3200hmz when all four dimm slots are populated. I hope that is false.

Interesting time for Intel to announce their "new" CPU though, makes you wonder if they know that AMD will release some info tomorrow and they're trying to kill off the hype a bit.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Speaking of leaks... I read one here in the last few hours that says only the x570 motherboard will bew discussed, and reviews on June 10th, and preoerders on the 1st of July. again, LEAKS, not fact. I am waiting, but not as sure as I was that it will all come out.

Since we are seeing retail packages of X570 boards I think that is correct.
I’m going to guess it will be mostly about what X570 brings to the table and some talk of Ryzen 3000 but mostly benchmarks and process improvement stuff

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Who cares about this Jim Guy.

We are about 4 hours away. I don’t give a crap about what Jim was right or wrong about.

 

[OTG]

Who cares about this Jim Guy.

We are about 5 hours away. I don’t give a crap about what Jim was right or wrong about.

Mockingbird does, obsessively.
The rest of us think he does interesting tech analysis, and are curious to see how his predictions pan out.

 

[mattiasnyc]

If people ends up dissapointed of the Ryzen 3000 is going to be all on him.

People have over recent years been (inadvertently?) taught to not pay attention to detail, nuance and context, even more so than before. He's said pretty frequently that he's going by what his sources say in conjunction with his own speculation, and that facts can and indeed do change over time. His sources may not have had all information, or the company may have changed it's plan.

That people hang on individual words or sentences of his as if they were gospel is their own fault to a very large degree, but it's what we see in society in general these days. People see what they want to see. As a group humans are dumb sheep.

 

[mattiasnyc]

Why is this Jim guy so popular anyway? Seems to me most of his rumors turn out wrong.

Do they? I haven't kept count.

I think it's a good time to take a larger perspective here; what is his channel like compared to others?

For some reason, I think it was because someone pointed towards it as a source, I watched several Redgamingtech videos. As far as I can see, Jim's channel offers faaar more than a channel like that. Almost all they do is put up daily videos with "news" that's almost entirely collated from other internet sources, and that includes all the rumors that Jim is accused of. But their analyses are sorely lacking compared to his. That doesn't mean that either of them are right or wrong, just that the bulk of their content is just content from other places. If there ever was a decent example for "fluff to generate views" that's be it. Granted, some might like the presentation and collection of news into one channel, but to me it's pretty darn thin.

So, I bet you a lot of people like Jim because his analyses actually are pretty logical and go to some depth. The underlying data might be hearsay or part speculation, but at least there's an effort on his part to come up with something reasonable.

That's why I think he's fairly successful.

PS: I also think he comes off as a narcissist, something I despise, but it doesn't mean I can't compartmentalize it.

 

[Zucker2k]

I think the issue some people have with AdoredTV is that he consistently went where no one wanted to go, for obvious reasons. His decision to trust the information, and place enough value on it to make it worth sharing was/is his alone. This is why he's being held to task because he was/is practically spreading his gullibility and boosting the legitimacy of the information by saying he trusts his sources. By so doing, he put himself on the chopping board.

 

[jamescox]

Very impressive results, even more so considering atrociuos memory latency. I took the liberty to compare the results to 4Ghz CFL with tight memory:

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/compare/13241660?baseline=13277187

The fact that Ryzen operates so well with latency twice as high is incredible.

Why does this show 8MB for L3 cache when it should be 16 MB per CCX? If it does have the 16 MB of L3 per CCX, that that is huge by itself. A 16-core part would have 64 MB of L3 cache. The highest cache single die Intel Xeon is only 38.5 MB. Even if you add in the L2 caches (Xeon has larger L2 at the moment), the 16-core part would still have more on package cache than Xeon processors costing around $10,000 or more. The dual die Xeon 56 core part gets up to 77 MB L3, but Epyc 2 could have as high as 256MB (16 CCX * 16 MB each).

I haven’t read this whole 120+ page thread, so I don’t know if this has been covered. I don’t expect the raw memory latency to increase that much over Zen 1. The actual average latency may go down significantly due to increased cache size and other improvements. The CCX to CCX (remote L3) latency will probably be much smaller. It will probably not be as low latency or as high of bandwidth as Intel’s L3 mesh network, but the mesh network seems to burn a lot of power unnecessarily, at least for most applications. The cache latency within the CCX is much lower than intel latency, but this requires the OS and applications to take advantage of that.

I expect relatively low latency, even with separate chips for several reason. One is that there is no memory clock on the cpu chiplet. There would be no reason to have any kind of clock boundary. For Zen 1, on die CCX to CCX communication has to go through a 10 or 11 port infinity fabric switch at memory clock. With Zen 2, the cpu chiplet switch will most likely just be a 3 port switch (or something else) that operates at core clock. The average latency improvements along with the CCXs having possibly significantly lower latency between them may make an 8 core single chiplet Ryzen 3000 much better for games. The chiplet to chiplet latency should be much lower also, so comparisons between 16-core ThreadRipper and 16-core Ryzen 3000 will be interesting.

Due to the increased infinty fabric bandwidth, I would expect the on die switch to need to widened to double the width of the first generation. Also, the clock speed of the infinty fabric is much higher, so that will reduce latency between multiple cpu chiplets and memory. The double width paths will be able to transfer a cache line a lot faster. There is also prefetch improvements that will reduce average latency.

I expect that it also has improvements in bandwidth efficiency. Zen 1 appears to have two separate ports for the two memory controller channels. This may not be the case for Zen 2 since the width of the internal switch may have doubled. They may combine the two channels it one port on the switch. What took 2 memory clocks before may only be one now. The switch can be optimized for desktop use since it doesn’t need anywhere near the number of ports as Zen 1 or the Epyc IO die. It may only have 5 or 6 ports on the switch compared to the 10 to 11 on Zen 1. Also, the IFIS do not need to support connection to other cpu chiplets. They can be optimized for IO only.

I kind of expect that a ThreadRipper update will be much later, if at all. There is a good possibility that Zen 2 with 16 cores, much higher memory clocks with better bandwidth utilization, and AVX256 will outperform 16-core ThreadRipper in most cases. The IO differences are not anywhere near as important as people think. There isn’t going to be that many 4.0 cards available right away, and a lot of them just don’t need that much speed. More expensive boards can be made with PCI express switch chips to supply probably as many slots as is really reasonable on an ATX board. The new chipset will have more bandwidth also. The doubled bandwidth of pci express 4.0 should bring it close to current ThreadRipper IO capabilities.

This leaves current ThreadRipper owners without a cpu upgrade for the platform . They may make a new ThreadRipper based on Epyc IO die eventually, but that would be a low priority compared to Rome server processors. Also, it is unclear whether the Epyc IO die would allow good performance in games. It is also unclear whether they would have that many defective IO die to make it reasonable to use in ThreadRipper. They do not want to be wasting fully functional Epyc IO die on ThreadRipper. Those needing workstation performance may need to go with Epyc, but since it may not do well on games, it may not fit as a HEDT processor.

 

[lightmanek]

Why is this Jim guy so popular anyway? Seems to me most of his rumors turn out wrong.

Very disappointing if the new boards don't support 3200hmz when all four dimm slots are populated. I hope that is false.

Interesting time for Intel to announce their "new" CPU though, makes you wonder if they know that AMD will release some info tomorrow and they're trying to kill off the hype a bit.

Official support doesn't mean it won't work ...
Intel officially supports only DDR4 2666MHz, but there are no issues getting RAM on their platform to over 4500MHz.

We will see how far AMD will be able to push RAM on new Ryzen, but one thing for sure, it will be higher than the older gen.

 

[mattiasnyc]

I think the issue some people have with AdoredTV is that he consistently went where no one wanted to go, for obvious reasons. His decision to trust the information, and place enough value on it to make it worth sharing was/is his alone. This is why he's being held to task because he was/is practically spreading his gullibility and boosting the legitimacy of the information by saying he trusts his sources. By so doing, he put himself on the chopping board.

My first visit to New York City back in the 90's I was heading down to the subway at 42nd street. I was just about to head on into the station at street level when this guy walked up to me and flashed a watch and said: "Wanna buy a TAG? 50 bucks!"

Now, if I was "gullible" then I would have believed that it was a genuine Tag Heuer and bought it. That's what the word "gullible" means. It means I didn't suspect something was up when I should've.

The only way to actually know if Jim is gullible is we'd have to know who his sources actually are. If they're really sources from inside AMD and if that's clear to him, then why would he be gullible?

And if it is both true that the sources are from AMD and that he was gullible in believing them it also by definition means that they weren't to be trusted. So then what we're really saying is that people working within AMD aren't to be trusted. I mean, it just further begs the question "why aren't they to be trusted?".

 

[CHADBOGA]

Why is this Jim guy so popular anyway?

His accent.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

If Lisa Su herself had revealed those specs back in September 2018, with a July 2019 release, then would we be calling her a fraud if they didn't exactly match what was revealed?
I think not.
On balance, as long as the specs are in the right ballpark then that is all that matters. After all, what relevance would clocks have had if AMD were offering a 30% IPC increase when initially rumoured to be 10-15%?
Zero. Its totally irrelevant. What matters is the ultimate performance, the pricing, and the power consumption. Everything else is co-dependent upon on unknown variable not even mentioned in direct association with the purported leaks.
When someone pre-fixes most remarks by asking you to take it with a healthy dose of salt, then that's what you should. I've watched hus videos and not once was I asked to blindly believe everything that he was saying to be true. If you watch with a blinkered opinion then you'll only hear what you choose to hear.