Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[Gideon]

According to Anandtech interview of Forrest Norrod AMD will be sticking to a yearly schedule from now on. (No zen2+ in 2020 but straight zen3):

First, Forrest revealed/confirmed the name of the Zen 4 based EPYC processor that will go beyond Rome and Milan. That name is Genoa, which is follows the Italian naming pattern. Forrest also said that the Zen 5 product follows that pattern, but failed to elaborate what that name is. I was told that the goal with each generation is to make sure the low hanging fruit for performance on each design is taken, and that there is a continual drive for compute performance. Forrest wouldn’t comment on the timeframe for Genoa, but did state that Milan is a mid-2020 platform, and so Genoa is likely 2021/2022.

https://imgur.com/jQmiEVj

Some other nice bits about Frontier supercomputer as well:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14419/amd-confirms-zen-4-epyc-codename-and-elaborates-frontier-cpu

 

[mattiasnyc]

I thought we gathered here to feel good about the products, but if feeling good about yourself is the new meta then sure, make the most of Jim and pat yourself on the back kiddo!

"I know you are, but what am I?"

clever

I used the word gullible because he had reason to not repeat FUD from his sources, especially after his prediction failed at the AMD demo. He just rolled with it and kept on dishing more of the same. That's gullibility or he just made stuff up. Your choice.

Maybe we should start an AdoredTV thread where you guys can post exactly what he said along with the video and time code and then we can all just agree that he's essentially a narcissist horrible person.

Shall I start it?

 

[mattiasnyc]

I dont get the excitement honestly, Amd still wont beat Intel on core per core performance, not on gaming performance either so...

Do you put cores in a shopping cart when you buy CPUs or do you buy a complete CPU?

 

[TheGiant]

thoughts #5
since AMD r3xxx has full 256bit avx2 unit, what will be the real power consumption?
as we know, those avx unit are hotspots and with tighter integration done by 7nm we can quickly run out of cooling...

I dont trust those 105W tdp numbers as power consumption, we will see with real testing
TDP= worst invention in last decade, the average visibility through the average fog in average sunlight with average temperature .....

 

[RTX2080]

Something just heard:
1.CPU & RAM both 5Ghz is very realistic but need some SPECIAL condition.....RAM 4.8Ghz is ensured
2.X370 can't do 5Ghz......(I don't know CPU or RAM which can't do 5G, I guess RAM can't but CPU can)
3.R7 & R9 has a notable difference

 

[inf64]

thoughts #5
since AMD r3xxx has full 256bit avx2 unit, what will be the real power consumption?
as we know, those avx unit are hotspots and with tighter integration done by 7nm we can quickly run out of cooling...

I dont trust those 105W tdp numbers as power consumption, we will see with real testing
TDP= worst invention in last decade, the average visibility through the average fog in average sunlight with average temperature .....

I believe Forrest Norrod explained (or was is Mark Papermaster) that AMD on 7nm has no "AVX clocks" and that there is no performance or power penalty when running AVX workloads. I expect that Zen2 core reaches its maximum rated TDP under AVX2/FMA workloads and everything else is below that.

 

[moinmoin]

I am a bit disappointed considering i was excited at the possibility of leaks pointing towards 8C/16T Ryzen 5 and 6C/12T Ryzen 3. Now i don't know how to feel.

The latter was easy to guess though once AMD launched Ryzen 5 3400G with 4C/8T.

 

[DisEnchantment]

According to Anandtech interview of Forrest Norrod AMD will be sticking to a yearly schedule from now on. (No zen2+ in 2020 but straight zen3):

https://imgur.com/jQmiEVj

Some other nice bits about Frontier supercomputer as well:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14419/amd-confirms-zen-4-epyc-codename-and-elaborates-frontier-cpu

Can't wait for Ian's transcription

Looking at the comments, I am glad Anandtech is Anandtech and they should write only after confirmation not before

 

[inf64]

Interesting that Zen3 rumors of serious core upgrade turned out to be true. I'm expecting Zen2 style uprgade with Zen3 (~10-15% general IPC boost, full AVX 512 units with 2x512bit L/S capability).

 

[mattiasnyc]

Threadripper 3000 lives!

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-you-will-definitely-see-more-threadripper-from-us

My guess is (late) Q3 with a new updated chipset and up to 48 cores (staying on the safe side), keeping the base clocks similar or slightly higher while driving boost close to 4.7Ghz. That thing will be a monster. 50% more cores with ~2x better AVX performance (~3x combined uplift versus 2990, YIKES), better memory management and no NUMA quirks.

Thanks for posting the link, I missed this.

I think it's good news that Lisa clarified TR will get updates. A 12-core Ryzen that beats or matches a 9920x is cause for concern for those thinking about investing in TR and a 16-core would have made it even more of a difficult choice since an Intel setup would have been possibly more promising for the future - had a TR update not been on the roadmap.

If AMD updates not just the CPUs but maybe also the platform (to PCIe 4.0) that might be a massive thing. It's already an impressive platform, but the thought of more throughput and or connectivity and much improved CPU performance is just... delicious.

All I wonder about is what happens to the GPU side for professionals. Radeon VII has shown itself to be fantastic in certain workstation workloads (Davinci Resolve for example) and one wonders what the future holds there... A 4.0 connection perhaps? Or maybe a high-performance Navi part with HBM or similar?

 

[inf64]

All I wonder about is what happens to the GPU side for professionals. Radeon VII has shown itself to be fantastic in certain workstation workloads (Davinci Resolve for example) and one wonders what the future holds there... A 4.0 connection perhaps? Or maybe a high-performance Navi part with HBM or similar?

I don't think we'll be seeing high end Navi GPU this year . Next year for sure but Nvidia will not be sitting still either. AMD is going to play serious cacth up game with Nvidia but there is a chance they'll eventually catch them in perf./watt/clock in a year or two.

 

[TheGiant]

thought #6
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1440...0g-lan-pcie-4-0-m-2-xpander-usb-3-1-gen2-king
a fan on the chipset.....small fan....

This is a high end board...and has a fan...for me its a deal breaker.

Unless they have a b550 no fan version, I will stay out of r3000....never thought this to happen in 2019 ..a fan on the chipset

lets see if there is a catch in r3000 performance from x470 and x570

 

[TheGiant]

I believe Forrest Norrod explained (or was is Mark Papermaster) that AMD on 7nm has no "AVX clocks" and that there is no performance or power penalty when running AVX workloads. I expect that Zen2 core reaches its maximum rated TDP under AVX2/FMA workloads and everything else is below that.

no sorry
that table show 12C boosting to 4.6GHz and 8C boosting to 4.5 GHz the same TDP
7nm is nice but it cant make a system with 24T with higher freq (looks like on the v/freq limit) consume the same power as 16T with 100MHz less freq
no way
we will see in the reviews
NDA lifts when? any dates?

 

[inf64]

no sorry
that table show 12C boosting to 4.6GHz and 8C boosting to 4.5 GHz the same TDP
7nm is nice but it cant make a system with 24T with higher freq (looks like on the v/freq limit) consume the same power as 16T with 100MHz less freq
no way
we will see in the reviews
NDA lifts when? any dates?

What I meant was that base clocks on AMD are guaranteed so you will not see any of the SKUs go lower in clocks or violate the TDP rating @ base clock when running AVX2 workloads.

I think NDA will be lifted on the E3 event which is in 2 weeks time (my guess, no source).

 

[mattiasnyc]

I don't think we'll be seeing high end Navi GPU this year . Next year for sure but Nvidia will not be sitting still either. AMD is going to play serious cacth up game with Nvidia but there is a chance they'll eventually catch them in perf./watt/clock in a year or two.

Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean they'd release a high end Navi this year, but what they could do (maybe) is either update the Radeon VII or announce a higher end Navi, possibly along with a TR announcement. Even if they can release both early next year that'd probably be good for those considering an HEDT setup for actual work.

 

[french toast]

Very hyped on this, can someone tell me, is Matisse's boost clocks precision boost on all cores or some kind of XFR ST boost?

 

[inf64]

Yeah, I didn't necessarily mean they'd release a high end Navi this year, but what they could do (maybe) is either update the Radeon VII or announce a higher end Navi, possibly along with a TR announcement. Even if they can release both early next year that'd probably be good for those considering an HEDT setup for actual work.

I guess it's possible they launch some sort of Navi with HBM early next year. Their goal is to push forward as quickly as possible of course.

Very hyped on this, can someone tell me, is Matisse's boost clocks precision boost on all cores or some kind of XFR ST boost?

It's should be similar to what we have on 2700X but with finer granularity. Max clock is certainly the ST XFR boost clock.

 

[DrMrLordX]

thoughts #5
since AMD r3xxx has full 256bit avx2 unit, what will be the real power consumption?
as we know, those avx unit are hotspots and with tighter integration done by 7nm we can quickly run out of cooling...

I dont trust those 105W tdp numbers as power consumption, we will see with real testing
TDP= worst invention in last decade, the average visibility through the average fog in average sunlight with average temperature .....

It'll work the same way that AMD's boost mechanism always works. It'll throttle back to keep the CPU within a target clockspeed/voltage/temp to (mostly) honor the TDP limit. If you activate XFR and put better cooling on there, it'll just boost straight on its way like normal.

It should not require any additional voltage to run AVX2 workloads (though you may need more-aggressive LLC). Expect higher power consumption and higher temps.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Kind of torn, really wanted that 12/24 but $500 is more than I want to spend
I will say the 65 watt 3700x is real tempting.

 

[amrnuke]

The 3600 would be a sidegrade to my i7 8700, not your FX 8300.

Sure, 15% IPC gains over Zen+ combined with security mitigations on the 8700 (even assuming you left HT enabled) mean the 3600 might be ahead, but not by 10+% unless there's some shocker coming in benchmarks. Certainly no reason to move if you don't need it for any particular heavily threaded use.

 

[Arkaign]

I'm not super enthused about the chipset fan thing. I've had pretty much every one of those I've ever had die on me even with the most careful dust maintenance lol.

~11W, seems like you would be able to have Cooler Master or somebody make a little vertical heatpipe/fin design (almost like a baby 212), and cool it passively if you have good case airflow. It will be interesting to see what kind of mods come about. It's still really early, I'll stick with 470 for now since I already have it, and don't have any 4.0 gear anyway.

But I bet we see some clever workarounds for it. I hope, lol. At least it would have been nice if they made the damn things standard across every 570 board so the fans would be common and easy to swap. But no, they look vastly different across makes/models, bleh.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

"I know you are, but what am I?"

clever



Maybe we should start an AdoredTV thread where you guys can post exactly what he said along with the video and time code and then we can all just agree that he's essentially a narcissist horrible person.

Shall I start it?

Please do I am really sick of it in this thread

 

[mattiasnyc]

Please do I am really sick of it in this thread

I did. The moderators deleted it.

Apparently it's fine to crap on Jim and AdoredTV in all of the AMD threads and making them a pain to read, but not to create a separate thread for it.

I'm a bit confused I must say.

Moderators?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I did. The moderators deleted it.

Apparently it's fine to crap on Jim and AdoredTV in all of the AMD threads and making them a pain to read, but not to create a separate thread for it.

I'm a bit confused I must say.

Moderators?

@Markfw can you assist or advise?

 

[Markfw]

Real simple guys, its OT, go make a thread there about it, its not technical about CPU's.

And I did not delete it, a forum Administrator did.