we will see with the reviewsWill these be water cooled?
3700x looks like it's run semi-close-enough to peak perf/watt while 3800x is being pushed to the minimum perf/watt. With the dual chiplet 3900x at least the wattage is split up, so maybe 2x ~42 watts, which is close to what the 3700 chiplet is seeing. The 3800x seems like a significantly lesser binned chiplet that's being overvolted and with high amps gushing through.
Nice. I think the 3700x looks better than the 3800x (and my guess is it might overclock better too, but will have to wait a month or two for reviews and concensus on how the 3700x overclocks).
People have been repeating no spinning unless under extreme load a lot, but AFAIK it's based on a single uncorroborated statement by a manufacturer (MSI?).I'm thinking those chipset fans won't spool up except under extreme load (e.g. extreme nVME RAID). As long as it's silent or close to it under normal operation I don't think a fan is a negative. I have a X399 board that has a small fan near the VRMs, for example. Almost never hear it spool up except at boot.
I'll wait, I'm just not optimistic about it. I have very low noise annoyance threshold. All my case fans spin at <600RPM under idle conditions. Up until a year ago 4TB 3.5" spinning hard drive was the loudest component in my primary desktop, I finally replaced it with SSD and now my PC is nearly silent and I do not want to do anything to jeopardize that silence.Why not wait until there are reviews out. Yes those fans are small, but they may not have to spin very fast to provide enough cooling. I don't like the idea of fans on a mobo either, but hopefully the execution is solid and they aren't noisy.
The problem with 16 cores on desktop for Intel is they'll have to abandon the ring for the mesh, which is not as game-friendly as the former. They may be able to do 12 cores, but as of yet the highest cores on a ring system is the Broadwell-E Core i7 6950x with 10 Cores. 3 years later, Intel is now talking about another 10 Core Comet Lake, no doubt also based on the ring architecture.If this was 2005, it would make sense to go "disruptive" on desktop lineup, and Intel would have been panic mode already and would find a way to squeeze 16 cores on mainstream lineup by any means possible. But this is 2019, Desktop sales have fallen in half compared its peak years decade ago, and will keep declining. It has gotten to the point where Intel seems like they are about to skip 10nm for desktop and it doesn't look as devastating as it would have been 10 years ago. Basically, going down on "distuptive" war path on desktop market would be pointless and would only cut into their potential profits. AMD is probably smart to use their best 8-core dies on EPYC since that is where the growth lies.
This is how I see it:Nice. I think the 3700x looks better than the 3800x (and my guess is it might overclock better too, but will have to wait a month or two for reviews and concensus on how the 3700x overclocks).
Maybe for Ryzen 4000 series. To be more serious, I could see 3300g being 3c/6t (maybe with half L3) now that there is a native dual core APU.
How will the new "APU" be? Will it use two chiplets, one for CPU and other for GPU, or just one "APU chiplet"?
What I get from this in regards to OC they are talking more about memory as compared to cpu.https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2001057-1-1.html
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some important information I can decode from this author:
1. 5Ghz single core is realistic, and sounds like all core 4.8Ghz is pretty realistic
2. Cinebench R15, 8 core Zen2 @ 4.5Ghz easily beats 9900K @ 5Ghz
3. OC mechanism is pretty like Zen+, for example OC R5-2600 4.1Ghz sometimes stronger than 4.3Ghz due to heat or other factor......Zen2 has similar characteristic
If I were AMD, I would use the standard cpu chiplet, and make the GPU+IO as monolithic. easier chip to make, and adds more diversity.
Computerbase.de managed to get words from ASRock on the matter, it doesn't sound good: https://www.computerbase.de/2019-05/amd-x570-luefter/I'm thinking those chipset fans won't spool up except under extreme load (e.g. extreme nVME RAID). As long as it's silent or close to it under normal operation I don't think a fan is a negative. I have a X399 board that has a small fan near the VRMs, for example. Almost never hear it spool up except at boot.
According to the spec DDR5 will have the same number of pins as DDR4, just different usage. If all pins are connected I'd think the socket needn't change for that. While AMD only promised AM4 forward compatibility up to Zen 2 I can imagine they'll keep using it as a rolling window, ie. Zen 3 still work on older AM4 boards but only starting with e.g. the 4xx chipset gen, dropping 3xx.You have to consider Zen 2 is the end of life of the AM4 platform. Zen 2 will be DDR5 with a new socket I assume. Is PCI4 important with Zen 3 around the corner? I am thinking B450/X470.
Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that for older motherboards, only PART of the PCIE4 would work. Thats why its not a problem. I don't remember if its the video or the M.2 that is enabled, but only one of the two vs x570 has everything enabled.Didn't they say the could enable PCIe 4.0 on some existing earlier gen boards? If the fan were required only because of PCIe 4.0, then those older boards with it enabled would also eventually require some extra cooling, no?
I suspect there is something coming with this new chipset that we're not aware of yet and that's why it requires a fan.
Kind of like PBO with Zen + VS Zen: you could use Zen + CPUs in 1st gen AM4 boards and have XFR2 but you'd lose out on PBO since that feature was exclusive to 2nd gen AM4 boards.
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One can use Zen 2 CPUs with older gen AM4 boards but will miss out on whatever is coming with gen 3 AM4 boards that's specially tailored for Zen 2 CPUs if we do so.
That obviously not the case there is a $330 and $380 products that use full spec dies. Inevitably they will sell more then the 12c chips. At even just $600 they get better margins just because No extra CPU package (pins/substrate/installation), no extra IO Die, no extra retail packaging. Sales would be a lot lower over the 12c and 8c chips anyways. It's probably because of several things. 1. Power usage (getting good clocks at reasonable power usage maybe be hard), 2. For that reason Binning (need to get sufficient stock of dies that can run at desired clocks within desired power) 3. ASP. AMD for whatever reason desided that they didn't want to push 8c pricing much lower then what we were already paying. They have 3 choices for a 16c chip. Push everything down to slot into $500 price point and lower ASPs. Another would be to push into Threadripper pricing with it ($600+). The final and what they seemed to have decided is to cap AM4 to ~$500. So cut out the 16c option while they build stock on the binned chips. This gives them a CPU in the pocket for Comet Lakes release or any movement on competitive pricing from Intel. When it comes out they can slide the 12c solution down to $400 and slide everything else down $30 or so.
Now personally I said and still think withholding on the 16c part is a bad idea. But there is wiggle room there. But I don't think they are in a great position to be withholding and should still be going down the "disruptive" war path. But this might be a good move for the start of 7nm when everything is at its most expensive and keep the 6c parts in better position financially (like it might be a bad idea to come out of the gate with those guys sub $200).
Yeah, you guys are right. I found a better picture from an expo and after adjusting brightness it does appear to have a fan. I want to buy a new xX70 motherboard, and it looks like I'm going to have to choose between x570 with fan or x470 without full PCIe4 support. I hate noise with a passion and seeing how PCIe4 native support is the only selling point of x570 I'll try to find x470 on sale. Shame.
Not just annoying, but completely mind boggling. The cult of Jim had their day or reckoning 5/27/2019 and are dissolved.
I'm set for now with a 9900k (got it a week after launch) and a 2080TI, that said, I will be pointing all my friends/family exclusively to AMD for the conceivable future (already do 75%+ Ryzen builds now). If AMD keeps up this kind of momentum and gaming performance is on par with the 9900k or superior, I'll build a Zen 3 based main box when it's released which will be the first AMD build for my main gaming/productivity personal box since Core2 was released. Very impressive execution by AMD that I hope bleeds over in time to the GPU side as well; I wouldn't mind leaving team green if AMD has options.
Do we have an idea of what kind of launch quantities we're looking at? Paper launch or widespread availability? I have a few buddies that I'll be building boxes for so I hope they have decent inventory.