Looks like perf in games (PUBG atleast) is greatly improved. Take with a grain of salt.
for comparison vs Ryzen 2x00 this is the best I could find. (average 183 vs 148fps)
The 8700 has 400Mhz lower clocks than 9900K. (5GHz/4.7Ghz vs. 4.6Ghz/4.3Ghz)AMD demonstrated PUBG on stage with 9900K having pretty much identical FPS to 3800X. I know that it's a 8700 non-k, but 3600 also has a 300 MHz lower single-core turbo than 3800X. Such a win seems a bit unexpected (though i certainly wouldn't mind it).
That would be really nice, and while I can see the extra cache helping out, I still have some doubts about the claims. AMD demonstrated PUBG on stage with 9900K having pretty much identical FPS to 3800X. I know that it's a 8700 non-k, but 3600 also has a 300 MHz lower single-core turbo than 3800X. Such a win seems a bit unexpected (though i certainly wouldn't mind it). Regardless, the 36xx series will almost assuredly become the budget gaming CPU for 199$.
NM I was ninja'd.
PUBG added replay mode which captures all your input and then allows you to "replay" it,essentially it's nothing more than a 3d rendering task at this point and doesn't have much to do with gaming.That would be really nice, and while I can see the extra cache helping out, I still have some doubts about the claims. AMD demonstrated PUBG on stage with 9900K having pretty much identical FPS to 3800X. I know that it's a 8700 non-k, but 3600 also has a 300 MHz lower single-core turbo than 3800X. Such a win seems a bit unexpected (though i certainly wouldn't mind it). Regardless, the 36xx series will almost assuredly become the budget gaming CPU for 199$.
The data we have so far indicates exactly that, a roughly +20% improvement in performance over Zen+ compounded from IPC increase and higher clocks (the 20% figure is my interpretation, the average across many games can land anywhere between +15-25%, depends on final clocks too). It's based on a handful of games though, and interestingly there's also a difference in numbers between the keynote slides and the press slide deck.I'm pretty sure Dr. Su did say that Zen2 would be a step up in games. It will be interesting to see if FPS increases match the expected IPC gains by percentage (+15% average fps) in low-resolution gaming given equal clocks between Matisse and Pinnacle Ridge. The skeptic in me says, "Nahhh", but I'm starting to think that maybe we will.
I have one request.PUBG added replay mode which captures all your input and then allows you to "replay" it,essentially it's nothing more than a 3d rendering task at this point and doesn't have much to do with gaming.
You can easily tell by watch any video of pubg on youtube the 8700 get's nowhere near 170FPS in actual gameplay.
(unless you stand still and look at the floor real close)
What's your prediction on Zen2's gaming performance? Overall, is it going to dethrone Intel?I have one request.
If these improved gaming results start to appear in proper reviews, please don't disappear as so many Intel supporters have recently. We need you to keep the discussion & dissension flowing freely.
Why? Ist supossed the M2 slot to have PCI-E lanes coming directly from the CPU as well? I know some OEMs to have wired the extra x4 PCI-E from the soc to the secondary X16 slot, but if the lanes comes from the CPU the M2 slot should be PCI-E 4... most boards should be wired like this.
Close, + or -, depending on the game. Assuming you're talking only about the top end of course. Taking price into consideration, win for AMD.What's your prediction on Zen2's gaming performance? Overall, is it going to dethrone Intel?
Higher speeds usually come with looser timings, and rather often with worse latency.
I suspect there'll be an optimum speed where latency is at its lowest, and that'll be where the best gaming will be found.
Indeed, we'll have to see where the sweet spot will be. It's clear there's a big improvement over the current Ryzen CPUs, though.Higher speeds usually come with looser timings, and rather often with worse latency.
I suspect there'll be an optimum speed where latency is at its lowest, and that'll be where the best gaming will be found.
Very nice memory latency if it's correctly reporting the memory configuration, better than the older ES results. Also very nice results in general, that's going to be one amazing and cheap CPU.
AMD spokesperson also reiterated that the chipset fan on X570 motherboards will only ramp up when required.
AFAIK, it's not the VRMs, but the 570 chipset that needs the fan, and this because of PCIe4 peak loads. True?Related:
Appears all the X570 chipset fans won’t always run at full speed, however appears zero speed/fan being off is not possible.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-x570-chipset-fans-user-configurable
Appears fan speed will be configurable but not too specific if that holds true for all X570 boards.
Strange world we live in, a few months ago people were complaining there wasn’t enough VRM power delivery on many 370/470 boards, now there appears to be tons of power delivery, so much that it requires a fan.
Yes, from what I have read.AFAIK, it's not the VRMs, but the 570 chipset that needs the fan, and this because of PCIe4 peak loads. True?
VRM's aren't the same as the chipset. I'd imagine the chipset will stay relatively cool, unless a PCIe4 M2 drive or two is going full blast. Something that is likely to be popular. GPU's at this point barely use 8 lanes of PCIe 3.Related:
Appears all the X570 chipset fans won’t always run at full speed, however appears zero speed/fan being off is not possible.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-x570-chipset-fans-user-configurable
Appears fan speed will be configurable but not too specific if that holds true for all X570 boards.
Strange world we live in, a few months ago people were complaining there wasn’t enough VRM power delivery on many 370/470 boards, now there appears to be tons of power delivery, so much that it requires a fan.
Dota 2 is basically using Source 2 at this point. Which still has a lot of Source 1 (which in turn was developed from The Quake 1 engine). So runs on a toaster but clocks are king over just about anything else.@coercitiv
Does not look like AMD is going to win Dota2 either. I think here, Dota2 just wants more clocks, and the 3800x isn't going to clock as high as the 9900k out-of-the-box.
Is this really true though or is X570 doing an intel and plx'ing more PCIE 4.0 slots? The First 2 PCIE 16x slots and the main M.2 should all be getting fed from the CPU not the chipset.AFAIK, it's not the VRMs, but the 570 chipset that needs the fan, and this because of PCIe4 peak loads. True?
If I were AMD, I would use the standard cpu chiplet, and make the GPU+IO as monolithic. easier chip to make, and adds more diversity.