I checked FP's twitter account, dude is suffering from serious case of cognitive dissonance. His reality is vastly different of reality everyone else experience. It's funny how now he does not mention any of the "low clocks" and "Chinese are not impressed with Zen2" comments he made 4 months ago. He finally realized that was nonsense. It's a start at least.Allegedly, Francois Piednol really wanted Intel to do just that. Years ago. He was rebuffed.
I'm not even expecting 5GHz on a single core, let alone all. Down the line, super binned Threadripper 3 might boost to 4.8GHz, I guess. I'm expecting a bigger variation in OC potential between different samples/SKUs than the previous gens.People are still expecting up to 5GHz on all-core OCs? Sorry, but I'm calling it now. That isn't happening. Not until Zen 3.
The only Zen 2 chip I saw at 5GHz was on LN2 at 1.6V.
(I would be happy to be wrong)
Don't forget about his 1.4GHz base clock prediction for Rome and his gloating when low power engineering samples popped up that matched them...only for 225W Rome to be revealed to have a ~2.25GHz base clock. It was impossible, he said, it would break the laws of physics, he said! After that, he was silent about the matter and turned to spreading FUD about the Infinity Fabric instead...I checked FP's twitter account, dude is suffering from serious case of cognitive dissonance. His reality is vastly different of reality everyone else experience. It's funny how now he does not mention any of the "low clocks" and "Chinese are not impressed with Zen2" comments he made 4 months ago. He finally realized that was nonsense. It's a start at least.
People are still expecting up to 5GHz on all-core OCs? Sorry, but I'm calling it now. That isn't happening. Not until Zen 3.
The only Zen 2 chip I saw at 5GHz was on LN2 at 1.6V.
(I would be happy to be wrong)
I think it means next Threadripper is going to be awesome.So does that mean it has much lower latency than Zen 2000 series ?
I think it's something like 6200-6300, not really sure. It depends on a lot of things, but the overall score in GB is useless, IMO. Better to look at the sub-scores and individual tests. From what I can see, if this result is indicative of the average, I don't think that the 3900x will match the 9900k in GB single core, ignoring the memory score.I'm trying to figure out what a stock 9900k would score, but, I'm seeing a mountain of different postings of scores. Is there a ballpark score for the 9900k at stock?
@ stock it's in the lower 6100sI think it's something like 6200-6300, not really sure. It depends on a lot of things, but the overall score in GB is useless, IMO. Better to look at the sub-scores and individual tests. From what I can see, if this result is indicative of the average, I don't think that the 3900x will match the 9900k in GB single core, ignoring the memory score.
At this point, though, I'm kind of done with the hundred different GB results out there. We'll get all the answers soon enough.
I think it's something like 6200-6300, not really sure. It depends on a lot of things, but the overall score in GB is useless, IMO. Better to look at the sub-scores and individual tests. From what I can see, if this result is indicative of the average, I don't think that the 3900x will match the 9900k in GB single core, ignoring the memory score.
At this point, though, I'm kind of done with the hundred different GB results out there. We'll get all the answers soon enough.
Could be, I don't keep track of the average overall single core scores that much. My overall comparison still stands, though. I looked at multiple 9900k results to draw my conclusion, but like I said, we'll need to wait and see.@ stock it's in the lower 6100s
The purpose of cache is to mitigate or compensate for latency issues. The doubled size cache in Zen2 will allow better performance even if latency remains the same.So does that mean it has much lower latency than Zen 2000 series ?
In the interview with The Full Nerd, Robbert Hallock claimed ~ 15-20% increase in game performance just by the increased cache size and before any additional IPC improvements. Although to be honest they are also intertwined.Indeed.
The latency number on its own means very little. If you're having to go to memory 36-40% less often then Zen 2 will effectively the same overall latency as the best Intel has to other.
The question for me is whether it is possible to measure, under a specific load, how often the CPU is forced to go to memory.
I checked FP's twitter account, dude is suffering from serious case of cognitive dissonance. His reality is vastly different of reality everyone else experience. It's funny how now he does not mention any of the "low clocks" and "Chinese are not impressed with Zen2" comments he made 4 months ago. He finally realized that was nonsense. It's a start at least.
People are still expecting up to 5GHz on all-core OCs? Sorry, but I'm calling it now. That isn't happening. Not until Zen 3.
The only Zen 2 chip I saw at 5GHz was on LN2 at 1.6V.
The really interesting bit is that the combination of central IO die, top binning for Threadripper chips, and CCX-aware scheduler in Windows 10 build 1903 means there is a potential that Threadripper could become the king for gaming chips this generation. Probably not in value, but in chasing that last 5% of performance there certainly seems to be that potential. Whether or not it can be realized remains to be seen. Just like max turbo is increased in the 3950X I imagine there will be Threadripper bins capable of 4.8GHz low core count turbo.
Don't know if this is relevant here:
https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1193327.html
TSMC recent talk about 7nm, 7nm+ and 5nm process.
I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed. Strictly AMD vs AMD, the gaming results should be pretty much identical from all 5 chips at release, beyond clocks. For reviews, I guess it's a question of what the sustained clocks are at stock settings, but since they are all unlocked it's kind of moot. Threadripper shouldn't be any worse however, as it is now.
I think that's somewhat the point. The chips with more cores also seem to be the highest clocked (at least stock, we'll see how things work out in the real world and overclocking). I wouldn't be surprised to find that they bin the highest clocking chips for Threadripper. Combine it with the ability to potentially distribute the heat across a larger area, and the extra memory channels (I won't be surprised if they go to 6 or even the full 8 on some specs), and I could definitely see this next gen of Threadripper being the absolute best for even gaming. Obviously you'll get diminishing returns hard, so plenty of people will be happy with even a 6 core for gaming.