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Thunder 57

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yeah, that time it was some encoding benchmarks that all intel partizans kept repeating, saying how gaming is for children. How times change

This honestly annoys me. I was reading the AMD subreddit on the becnhmarks and I swear 98% of the posts were about gaming results, with many of them calling Zen 2 a failure. Meanwhile, the 12 core Zen just about matches a 32 core TR in Handbrake. That is insane!

I didn't know I was buying a console, I thought I was buying a CPU for a computer that can do many things. In most things, it looks like Zen 2 will be the winner. In gaming, it looks like it will be more than enough to not make a difference. I don't understand the hate.

Unless you are a kid with RGB everything and "gaming" memory/mobos/mice and keyboards, gaming should generally be a secondary concern.

That was something else that was annoying. It was near impossible to find a good AM4 mobo without it being "gaming" this and that and stupid designs and lights everywhere. In the end I ended up getting a more conservative gaming board because I wasn't paying for Taichi and the cheaper regular boards had crummy VRM's.
 

jpiniero

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Unless you are a kid with RGB everything and "gaming" memory/mobos/mice and keyboards, gaming should generally be a secondary concern.

I don't think I can undersell the importance of gaming on the desktop. It's pretty much why the desktop isn't dead honestly. Most consumers that aren't interested in discrete level gaming have moved on to laptops.
 
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realibrad

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This honestly annoys me. I was reading the AMD subreddit on the becnhmarks and I swear 98% of the posts were about gaming results, with many of them calling Zen 2 a failure. Meanwhile, the 12 core Zen just about matches a 32 core TR in Handbrake. That is insane!

I didn't know I was buying a console, I thought I was buying a CPU for a computer that can do many things. In most things, it looks like Zen 2 will be the winner. In gaming, it looks like it will be more than enough to not make a difference. I don't understand the hate.

Unless you are a kid with RGB everything and "gaming" memory/mobos/mice and keyboards, gaming should generally be a secondary concern.

That was something else that was annoying. It was near impossible to find a good AM4 mobo without it being "gaming" this and that and stupid designs and lights everywhere. In the end I ended up getting a more conservative gaming board because I wasn't paying for Taichi and the cheaper regular boards had crummy VRM's.

I'm in this post and I don't like it.

As for handbrake, holy crap. The lite video editing I do now on a 2500k...
 

lobz

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I don't think I can undersell the importance of gaming on the desktop. It's pretty much why the desktop isn't dead honestly. Most consumers that aren't interested in discrete level gaming have moved on to laptops.
I'm sorry but regardless of how many people have done that, that is just moronic in a lot of cases.

Edit: please don't think I'm calling you moronic What I mean is that in the area of overall productivity, ergonomics and ease of troubleshooting, laptops are on a soooooo freakishly low level compared to desktops, that I find it moronic how many executives let their people work so suboptimally, just to go with the trends or just out of sheer ignorance
 
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coercitiv

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A shop in Romania apparently screwed up and delivered some CPUs.

From reddit

The processor seems to be running almost constantly at 4200 with very little downclocking while still remaining in the 65W TDP. The ram as stated before is only running at 2133 cl15 since Asus apparently can't release a proper bios for their flagship x470

Cinebench runs - with 2133 RAM as that is the only speed my ch7 lets me boot at(lots of problems with latest bios 2406)
War Thunder - tank benchmark cpu intensive with everything maxed out 95 min 110avg 6333points (much better than my 2700x at 4.2 with 3533 cl14 ram)
Battlefield 5 - did not get actual numers yet ...but i can say that even with the low ram speed(2133) it is faster than my 2700x at 4.2 with 3533 cl14 ram

more will come throught the night ....i will not be posting many numbers since i would like for the proper reviewers to do that but i will give you averages and my personal impression compared to a 2700x with 3533 at cl14
 

Thunder 57

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I don't think I can undersell the importance of gaming on the desktop. It's pretty much why the desktop isn't dead honestly. Most consumers that aren't interested in discrete level gaming have moved on to laptops.

It is important but not the only reason desktop is still alive. First, there are other uses for discrete GPU's besides gaming. Second, in terms of upgradeability and troubleshooting, a desktop is way better/easier. Also, the cost of entry is cheaper. Not to mention you don't need the added cost of a docking station to make things more convenient. You are also never at the mercy of a small screen either. If I'm using a laptop at work I will need two real monitors or I'd be very unhappy.

A laptop with some nice monitors and a docking station is great, but it will cost more and be slower. Besides, I rarely take my laptop to meetings. When I used to travel more, I had a separate laptop for that. Laptops make more sense in the business world, but most people who use them at home (that I know) leave them in the same place and plugged in 99% of the time, except students.
 

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Google translated links:

https://translate.google.com/transl.../06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x570-review/&prev=search

https://translate.google.com/transl.../06/amd-ryzen-5-3600-x470-review/&prev=search

No overclocking results in these initial limited benches, also the RAM clocks and latencies seem whacky, I would imagine this should be ironed out fairly soon like in the next bios update or so, be interesting to see what a 4.5ghz all core OC (if possible) would bring x470 doesn't seem to lose much (if anything) compared to x570 either which is good news for current Ryzen owners who just want a drop in upgrade to their current CPU.
 
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birdie

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According to our sources, the yields of Zen 2 are enhancing quickly. Three months ago we wrote that Zen 2 yields (100% fully working chip) were about 70%. Today, yields are about 85%!

Zen 2 yields are still a little bit lower than Zeppelin ones (Today at +90%), but at this rate Zen 2 will be inexpensive to produce. TSMC 7nm yields are near 16nm yields (Source), and 7nm wafer cost is now under 10k Dollar (IBS Research).
 

DrMrLordX

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What the hell is going on with that dudes hand?

Edit: 2 fingers in that bag, now it makes more sense but holy nail clip and do something about the cut/worn skin dude

Note his reddit username. He's probably undead. More of us running around than you might expect.

@ApTeM

Oh that is good. Better than the 70% numbers I was hearing last year. If that's the case, it's good news for Navi yields as well . . .
 
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The nda ends in summer saving times at 1600 Helsinki, Athens, 1500 Berlin, 1400 London etc.

So at the time this is written, nda ends in little under 15 hours.
 

Carfax83

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I don't think I can undersell the importance of gaming on the desktop. It's pretty much why the desktop isn't dead honestly. Most consumers that aren't interested in discrete level gaming have moved on to laptops.

Gaming is important I agree, but so is the professional market. Even if Zen 2 doesn't fully match Intel when it comes to gaming, Zen 2 will be a total success because of how strong Zen 2 is in content maker type workloads.

I mean, the 3900x alone just made Intel's entire HEDT lineup irrelevant (outside of a few applications that can leverage AVX-512), let alone future Threadripper CPUs based on the Zen 2 core.
 
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jpiniero

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Gaming is important I agree, but so is the professional market. Even if Zen 2 doesn't fully match Intel when it comes to gaming, Zen 2 will be a total success because of how strong Zen 2 is in content maker type workloads.

I mean, the 3900x alone just made Intel's entire HEDT lineup irrelevant (outside of a few applications that can leverage AVX-512), let alone future Threadripper CPUs based on the Zen 2 core.

That's true for sure, but that's more the workstation market. Gotta get Dell/Lenovo/etc on board to adopt Threadripper for their workstation machines and not just ignore it like they are now. Dell does sell Threadripper but only Alienware (lol)
 

B-Riz

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It is important but not the only reason desktop is still alive. First, there are other uses for discrete GPU's besides gaming. Second, in terms of upgradeability and troubleshooting, a desktop is way better/easier. Also, the cost of entry is cheaper. Not to mention you don't need the added cost of a docking station to make things more convenient. You are also never at the mercy of a small screen either. If I'm using a laptop at work I will need two real monitors or I'd be very unhappy.

A laptop with some nice monitors and a docking station is great, but it will cost more and be slower. Besides, I rarely take my laptop to meetings. When I used to travel more, I had a separate laptop for that. Laptops make more sense in the business world, but most people who use them at home (that I know) leave them in the same place and plugged in 99% of the time, except students.

The 2015 13 inch MacBook Air is used for La-Z-Boy time to catch up on the news at the end of the day

For the un-awares


https://www.la-z-boy.com/
 

Thunder 57

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That's true for sure, but that's more the workstation market. Gotta get Dell/Lenovo/etc on board to adopt Threadripper for their workstation machines and not just ignore it like they are now. Dell does sell Threadripper but only Alienware (lol)

As much as the OEM's are to blame, and they certainly are, AMD's marketing is pretty piss poor. Threadripper might work for the consumer HEDT market but they should've used something more conservative for their workstation line (I understand they are the same thing). Even Epyc isn't all that great. It's not bad and I'm OK with it, and it sounds way better than Threadripper at least in the business world.

Hopefully TR will make a name for itself and begin to be more sought after for workstation use. AMD's marketing though, meh, with the latest example being "GameCache". That's the worst of the bunch by far.

All that said, I'd rather have the engineering side of a company putting out great products with crummy marketing than an awesome marketing team having to push crummy products.
 

B-Riz

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As much as the OEM's are to blame, and they certainly are, AMD's marketing is pretty piss poor. Threadripper might work for the consumer HEDT market but they should've used something more conservative for their workstation line (I understand they are the same thing). Even Epyc isn't all that great. It's not bad and I'm OK with it, and it sounds way better than Threadripper at least in the business world.

Hopefully TR will make a name for itself and begin to be more sought after for workstation use. AMD's marketing though, meh, with the latest example being "GameCache". That's the worst of the bunch by far.

All that said, I'd rather have the engineering side of a company putting out great products with crummy marketing than an awesome marketing team having to push crummy products.

To be fair, has any *non Apple* tech marketing been that great? lol

Look at PC magazines from 10, 20, 30 years ago, lool
 
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IEC

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For all the leaked wonky Zen 2 results on pre-release BIOSes, 1usmus has confirmed that those BIOS versions were locked down. You will need AGESA 1.0.0.3AB version BIOSes to fully utilize Zen 2.

Screenie:
 
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