Speculation: Ryzen 3000 series

[misuspita]

I would think that reviewers that got the reviewing kit also got the necessary bios. But if the other reviewers get the same results a question comes to mind. If this is the weakest Ryzen 2, what does 3800x or 3950x look like? Intel might be in another Pentium 4 moment...

 

[itsmydamnation]

You have PBO but not the new PBO that goes a little higher, you need X570 for that.
According to:

(yes the video is mirrored)

thats wrong, what a 570 might buy you is more VRM capacity but thats about it, the chipset doesn't control your O.C.

54:40

all the things like lower CPPC2 interval work on the old chips sets as well.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Stock is up on Newegg

Read out-of-stock. I think it'll be that way until 9?

edit: apparently they've sold some already, oh well. Gonna have to get one elsewhere.

 

[BigDaveX]

I would think that reviewers that got the reviewing kit also got the necessary bios. But if the other reviewers get the same results a question comes to mind. If this is the weakest Ryzen 2, what does 3800x or 3950x look like? Intel might be in another Pentium 4 moment...

I'm not sure whether their current situation is better or worse than 2004-2006. On the one hand, Icelake would probably be able to retake the lead in a lot of scenarios and is only being held back by production issues, whereas with Prescott both the basic design and Intel's 90nm process were at fault.

On the other hand, as mediocre as Intel's 90nm process was, at least they could actually make things with it beyond a small consignment of barely-usable mobile chips! It's hard to think of any process by any major manufacturer that's been as thoroughly disastrous as Intel 10nm.

 

[DrMrLordX]

It's hard to think of any process by any major manufacturer that's been as thoroughly disastrous as Intel 10nm.

GF 20nm.

 

[Arkaign]

About DDR4 speed although I don't think it will make a big difference for the intel CPU's
(unless you set your CL too high in relation to the clock speed)

What is the proper speed reviewers should use for the intel CPU's?
DDR4 2666 is the officially supported speed for the latest intel (spec. power reasons?)
DDR4 3200 is the officially supported speed for the latest AMD

And we are even advised to go higher:
AMD:
DDR4 3733 CL17 is sweetspot for performance
DDR4 3600 CL16 is sweetspot for perf/price

So what is right for the review for intel DDR4?

I think absolutely the way to go is to do 3733 for both, as it's the most likely buy for a gamer doing a new build. *Almost* nobody would buy 2666 for anything these days unless reusing some garbage from an OEM PC or something. So to reflect real world performance, shouldn't gimp Zen or Coffee Lake with such poop ram lol.

 

[PotatoWithEarsOnSide]

I'm not so sure. 3600 especially is likely to find itself in "budget" builds, as such RAM around 3200MHz will likely be most common; good but not best.

 

[TheGiant]

Those are the maximum frequencies officially supported by the CPUs, anything above is already overclocking and not guaranted by the manufacturer, so they tested at stock specifications.

sorry man, but this isnt even funny

About DDR4 speed although I don't think it will make a big difference for the intel CPU's
(unless you set your CL too high in relation to the clock speed)

What is the proper speed reviewers should use for the intel CPU's?
DDR4 2666 is the officially supported speed for the latest intel (spec. power reasons?)
DDR4 3200 is the officially supported speed for the latest AMD

And we are even advised to go higher:
AMD:
DDR4 3733 CL17 is sweetspot for performance
DDR4 3600 CL16 is sweetspot for perf/price

So what is right for the review for intel DDR4?

https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

here about the ram impact on skylake core CPUs, it is a little older but still valid

 

[DrMrLordX]

3600 is cheap. 3733 not so much, though I did post about some DDR4-4400 (!!!!) for $170 in Hot Deals. Too bad its on back order.

 

[misuspita]

3200 is cheap enough to at least use that on all system tested. In my part of world 3600 and over is not cheap

 

[Kedas]

thats wrong, what a 570 might buy you is more VRM capacity but thats about it, the chipset doesn't control your O.C.

That is true a chipset doesn't control the OC but a new chipset comes with new specificaton/bios for that motherboard.
A good example is the PCIe-4 on X470 supported? even if the board would work with it if it's not in the bios for X470 hence not supported by AMD then you don't get it.

But it may be like you say some B450 motherboard manufactures wil say I have enough power lines I turn that feature on and in the video he said "X570" because he is sure those can handle it.

 

[Kedas]

https://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

here about the ram impact on skylake core CPUs, it is a little older but still valid

I don't think it is still valid seeing this review below, this one is on an 8700k (not a 6700k) and does show a lot less difference.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...memory-performance-benchmark-analysis/10.html (1%)

 

[Arkaign]

I don't think it is still valid seeing this review below, this one is on an 8700k (not a 6700k) and does show a lot less difference.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...memory-performance-benchmark-analysis/10.html (1%)

I don't know how reputable TPU is, but I see substantial differences with Ram speeds (with tight timings) on my 2700x and 8086k builds, and previous 1700x (though I could only get 3000 stable on my awful initial Ryzen rig lol).

In things like Far Cry New Dawn and Metro Exodus I saw double digit differences between 2400 and 3733 on both platforms.

 

[birdie]

This is a little bit alarming:



They weren't even running a motherboard based on the power hungry X570 chipset. Let's wait for the official reviews and updated BIOS'es.

 

[Kedas]

That power graph is not right, 70W for 2200G is under load not idle.

 

[Slaughterem]

This is a little bit alarming:

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They weren't even running a motherboard based on the power hungry X570 chipset. Let's wait for the official reviews and updated BIOS'es.

This is really believable especially a Ryzen 3 2200g idle of 70 watts. Lmao

 

[birdie]

LMAO or not, it's total system power consumption and as you can see they are not far off.

 

[Abwx]

The only number that would matter is that it s 6W more than a non X 2700, and still, as pointed above the 2200G number render the whole thing suspicious at worst and incompetent at best.

With a 1080ti Computerbase have 47W for the 2700, and 27W for the 2200G albeit without the dGPU, but a 1080TI wouldnt add more than 15W at idle, also Intel numbers are much lower than what is displayed in this graph.

 

[Karnak]

LMAO or not, it's total system power consumption and as you can see they are not far off.

70W vs 54.5W (2200G both at idle) is "not far off" for you? Weird.

 

[RTX2080]

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and more important, they said 3900X PBO could auto turbo up to 4.85Ghz, in some cases.....

(but still bios are not fully functioned so lets wait&see)

 

[lobz]

From the Youtube video above:

In the test they both run memory at 2666 MHz. ( 3min 08sec in the video)

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wow, the lowly 3600 beating 8700K in unoptimised crap (premiere) too... I didn't see that coming

 

[DrMrLordX]

@cortexa99

Your attachment seems to be broken.

edit: now it is working. You pasted the same link I did in reviews. Great minds, great minds.

 

[lobz]

Polish 3600 review.

Just hours before the real thing, I don't think we should pay much attention to these clickbaits who can't even be bothered to use the correct RAM for either CPU.

 

[lobz]

I think absolutely the way to go is to do 3733 for both, as it's the most likely buy for a gamer doing a new build. *Almost* nobody would buy 2666 for anything these days unless reusing some garbage from an OEM PC or something. So to reflect real world performance, shouldn't gimp Zen or Coffee Lake with such poop ram lol.

I would also be cool if they tested Ryzen with 3733 and the intel with some 4200 or 4400 (whichever is still somewhat reasonably priced), IF they didn't forget to calculate the more expensive RAM into the intel system's price at the end when they compare perf/$.

 

[DrMrLordX]

btw the review thread is open folks, so if you have early leak reviews paste them there.