Remember the killer features for the Macbook Pro aren't speed and application compatibility like we care about. The killer features are brand and (to an extent perceived) build quality and fashion. Apple already have (neutered) Adobe CC on the iPad Pro, and many other apps that are converging the two environments.There is no software for Apple ARM based computers. The program that is allowing launching iPad Apps on Mac OS is something different from porting whole software stack from x86 to ARM on desktop and laptop computers.
ARM based laptop and Desktop will be limited only to running software ports from iPad to the OS it will use.
Apple ARM CPUs if they want to replace x86 HAVE TO be better that x86_64 in a wide variety of solutions. If Apple cannot scale IPC of their CPUs for clock speeds, and power, what is the benefit?
We have to rememeber, AMD has just released 7 nm APUs that fit in 15W thermal envelopes. Dual Core, dual thread CPU from Apple fits in 3W envelope with 2.6 GHz. If we scale it by 4 times, to get 8 core, 8 thread CPU, we get 12W, 2.6 GHz CPU. But what about 35W TDP's? What about 3.5 GHz clock speeds?
There is way too much of burdens to overcome to even consider ARM based Macs that head is starting to hurt if you think about it.
For now, ARM based Mac can be ONLY Apple Services Access machine Only. For now. But will it really be better solution than x86_64 in the long run? Im VERY sceptical.
>The killer features are brand and (to an extent perceived) build quality and fashion.Remember the killer features for the Macbook Pro aren't speed and application compatibility like we care about. The killer features are brand and (to an extent perceived) build quality and fashion. Apple already have (neutered) Adobe CC on the iPad Pro, and many other apps that are converging the two environments.
In the end, I am not sure that John Q. Photographer cares what the raw performance is as long as it's "close enough" and it's a Mac and Photoshop/Lightroom works on it.
I think Intel will try but I'm not sure that's enough, as its not simply a matter of cost/money (well it does but there are other costs that matter). Development for a single GPU family might have value. I also think Intel's behavior on cellular modems (dropping 5G) might possibly sour Apple as they definitely want to have some leverage over Qualcomm. Heck, they've supposedly been toying with AMD CPUs for years (think they even had dev systems testing out Excavator based systems), partially to keep Intel from getting too comfortable. Now obviously they didn't make the change, but I could see Intel's recent issues and AMD's success to be possibly appealing enough for Apple. EPYC/Threadripper would have made the new Mac Pro much more interesting. And it might become important to have Infinity Fabric between CPU and GPU in the future.
Yeah, I think the iPad line starts becoming a 2 in 1 type of device situation (namely the Pro line), and I'd guess that's how they transition. I've thought the Air and iPad Pro line will converge, and then possibly the standard Mac, maybe they bring back iBook branding?
Yeah, that's got to have Apple interested.
Which, random speculation, any possibility that Apple might make a gaming console? It'd probably be marketed more as a general media device, think something between the AppleTV and Mac Mini. But it'd maybe run multiple OSes or something, like a base MacOS layer, with a Metal based gaming environment for max performance, with a GUI overlay. Kinda like what Microsoft does on the Xbox. But maybe this would be something like Nvidia did with their BFG TVs which had Shields. Apple was developing a smart TV, maybe they changed things up (or maybe are still working on something like that)?
You do realize the Apple OS is based on Linux.>The killer features are brand and (to an extent perceived) build quality and fashion.
Oh, so in essence - their computers are bought by a complete morons?
If Apple targets their products at youtubers, sure - you may have a point. But there is not enough imbecils in the world to buy what they are selling. Plenty of people are actually switching FROM the Mac to other solutions like Linux and Windows because Apple does not offer performance, which people need.
You do realize the Apple OS is based on Linux.
It's not linux but it's close. Both have terminal commands.No, it is not.
It's not linux but it's close. Both have terminal commands.
I never said Zen 3 was happening by July or August.There isn’t much more to be said If a launch were happening by July or August, we would have (legitimate) leaks by now. Thus far we only have Navi 2X leaks.
What advantage does a MacBook Pro have over a Dell XPS, for instance?>The killer features are brand and (to an extent perceived) build quality and fashion.
Oh, so in essence - their computers are bought by a complete morons?
If Apple targets their products at youtubers, sure - you may have a point. But there is not enough imbecils in the world to buy what they are selling. Plenty of people are actually switching FROM the Mac to other solutions like Linux and Windows because Apple does not offer performance, which people need.
Any word on that being pushed back because of Covid-19??I never said Zen 3 was happening by July or August.
I said Renoir+B550 is around that time. And we do have benchmarks of the two together. Have for a few weeks now.
Zen 3 was always supposed to be on shelves by September afaik.
I will raise the bar higher. Big Navi is coming in September, or later, but is it actually the first RDNA2 based GPU released in 2020?I never said Zen 3 was happening by July or August.
I said Renoir+B550 is around that time. And we do have benchmarks of the two together. Have for a few weeks now.
Zen 3 was always supposed to be on shelves by September afaik.
Well they're still aiming for Computex announcement, but sorry, I dunno if they'll also launch at the new Computex date now or if the actual launch will be delayed too. Sorry.Any word on that being pushed back because of Covid-19??
If they have discontinued the 3400G, it's somewhat odd since there are tons of 3400Gs in stock at my local MicroCenter, and when the number dips below 10+ in stock, it gets replenished to 10+ fairly quickly over the past month or two. I think it's possible MC are sitting on a lot of warehouse stock, or it's possible AMD didn't actually discontinue it.
Since they are 12nm parts, they are GloFo, right?
I reported you for using non-English language.Exactly. But also, porque no los dos?
It's possible that with the redesign they could have optimized even further for single/lightly threaded performance (gaming, Office), and also multi threaded performance, but doing so via slightly different means. And some of the changes will benefit both. I also really like that AMD are utilizing the process node changes so much, to help build a lead. Marching ahead with TSMC with 7% performance or 10% power benefits (assuming N7P).
Really will be interesting to deep-dive the changes.
The RDNA2 in the PS5 definitely supports INT4, so probably.Actually that's a really good suggestion. Iirc Navi supports INT4 and INT8. Definitely the latter, not 100% sure about the former.
That actually REALLY makes sense.
I supposed the TDP could have been bumped up to 25W, however, that is still impressive for a 15 watt chip.
The 4800U is insane, but what's crazier is the 4600UI love how someone can start a rumor and watch it take off throughout the internet.
Anyway, I'm still puzzling over the 4800U vs other chips. We have a single GB5 benchmark that is supposedly from the 4800U, and it maintained a boost of around 4.1GHz - 4.3 GHz throughout the test. It ties with some of the best results for the 4800H. I supposed the TDP could have been bumped up to 25W, however, that is still impressive for a 15 watt chip.
EDIT: ALL of the U series chips are seemingly punching above their weight class.
The 4800U is insane, but what's crazier is the 4600U
The 4600U performs within 10% percent of the 4600H in Cinebench R20 (AVX2) and identically in R15 (SSE).
He's listed the power budget on the charts. 36W vs 56W and 36W vs 51W for R15 and R20 respectively iirc.They are measured at max power, there's only 1watt difference between 4600u and h. There will be more difference if power budget is halved.
He's listed the power budget on the charts. 36W vs 56W and 36W vs 51W for R15 and R20 respectively iirc.