"Late in the year" is the latest info we got.Where is Zen 3, does anyone know what sort of time frame is it expected?
( I guess everyone is too bored staying at home wondering when new tech is coming out, time seems to be moving very slowly )
Where is Zen 3, does anyone know what sort of time frame is it expected?
We have a bit more than that according to info from Digitimes that was echoed in several media outlets:"Late in the year" is the latest info we got.
That appears to be solely based on AMD moving the launch with the scheduling of Computex though. Personally I find that idea suspect, events like Computex are for pushing out the information, not the products themselves. Or will AMD stop Vermeer when Computex should end up being canceled?We have a bit more than that according to info from Digitimes that was echoed in several media outlets:
https://www.pcgamer.com/amds-next-gen-ryzen-4000-cpus-rumoured-for-september-launch/
I can't see the Digitimes article, but what makes this news interesting is the reported information source: insiders from motherboard makers. The Computex part may simply be an indirect result of rescheduling.That appears to be solely based on AMD moving the launch with the scheduling of Computex though. Personally I find that idea suspect, events like Computex are for pushing out the information, not the products themselves. Or will AMD stop Vermeer when Computex should end up being canceled?
I am an idiot. You're absolutely right.You are mixing 4500U power to 4600U results.
Actually, this makes more sense. The supply chain and production for mainboards is much more heavily dependent on China than CPU production is.I can't see the Digitimes article, but what makes this news interesting is the reported information source: insiders from motherboard makers. The Computex part may simply be an indirect result of rescheduling.
Perhaps Intel is just so focused on the mobile market because they have an advantage over AMD where on the desktop, they don't.
If AMD takes longer for Zen3 it will be because of COVID, not because they technically can't do it.It took Intel 6-12 months to create a desktop part for the 10th gen (still not out) after their mobile variant. I am worried that AMD will do the same. When I see estimates of when is Zen 3 coming, I think it may be that plus another 6 months till the desktop chips come out.
Perhaps Intel is just so focused on the mobile market because they have an advantage over AMD where on the desktop, they don't.
Intel's laptop biz is fine AFAIK. Laptop buying decisions aren’t being made on technical specs. AMD needs to do a large joint advertising and marketing campaign with its partners - something I don’t think they have the bucks for yet. It’s just the reality of dealing with mass markets.If Intel is focused on the mobile market, and if they are, they're not doing a great job of it - the focus is because they are losing it, not because they have an advantage (other than in existing contracts).
Now that's a suspicious generalization right there if I've ever seen one.Intel's laptop biz is fine AFAIK. Laptop buying decisions aren’t being made on technical specs. AMD needs to do a large joint advertising and marketing campaign with its partners - something I don’t think they have the bucks for yet. It’s just the reality of dealing with mass markets.
The enthusiast market is different because specs really matter.
Now that's a suspicious generalization right there if I've ever seen one.
I take it you've never dealt with the purchasing department of a large company before.Now that's a suspicious generalization right there if I've ever seen one.
Even then what you generally get is a contract for systems so you get a generalization on "engineer systems", normal systems, and "executive" systems. Those engineers get better systems sure, but rarely are they getting something they have any input in. Honestly after 1k employees the world of pick and choose components basically disappears.Don't really see it that way.
Since there isn't really much of DIY market for laptops like there is for desktop
The majority of laptop buyers are the non technical kind.
Example in most companies the IT manager makes the decisions on the laptops, so they are looking at OEM machines from Dell,Lenovo, HP. And which ever vendor gives them the best pricing get the sale. Very rarely does that decision comes down to technical specs.
Unless you have someone in IT that says hey I need this specific machine with this amount of ram ie 32GB's because I want to run VM's. The majority of users will just take what they are given.
Huawei cut TSMC 5nm orders due to lower smartphone demand. Apple absorbs, asked for 10K more wafers in 4Q, competing with AMD, etc. for "enhanced 5nm" capacity. Reportedly, TSMC developed "enhanced 5nm" process specifically for AMD. AMD requires no less than 20K 12" wpm. Huawei also cut 7nm orders.
But Nvidia, AMD and other big customers simultaneously increased 7nm orders. Not only is TSMC's 5nm production capacity fully turned on starting from 2Q, 7nm capacity will also continue to be fully utilized until the end of the year.
I think everyone is hoping for a V recovery. The one who cuts the most and the earliest in that scenario will lose. If it does not happen, the reverse will happen. Will the cat be dead or alive?I'm skeptical of the idea that everyone isn't cutting orders due to the virus.
I'm skeptical of the idea that everyone isn't cutting orders due to the virus.
It's not just cloud infrastructure. The PC market in general benefits from the situation as more people staying at home means the need for a PC or laptop increases (god even just saying that feels wrong, but it is what it is).Anyone supporting cloud infrastructure is probably ordering more hardware, not less.
It's not just cloud infrastructure. The PC market in general benefits from the situation as more people staying at home means the need for a PC or laptop increases (god even just saying that feels wrong, but it is what it is).
It's not just cloud infrastructure. The PC market in general benefits from the situation as more people staying at home means the need for a PC or laptop increases (god even just saying that feels wrong, but it is what it is).
It is correct how it is written, at least from what I’ve seen.Have or had ?
You must have missed Renoir launch huh?It is correct how it is written, at least from what I’ve seen.
mobile Intel > AMD mobile
Desktop AMD > Intel desktop (CPU)