moinmoin
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Heh, February to January fiscal year is indeed an odd one. This also moves every quarter by one month, cheeky!I think it's nVidia that uses a "strange" fiscal year
Heh, February to January fiscal year is indeed an odd one. This also moves every quarter by one month, cheeky!I think it's nVidia that uses a "strange" fiscal year
Depends what Zen3 does - if it moves the mhz/watt needle significantly I would definitely buy TR4 over TR3 for TDP drops alone.I would switch TR and APU, they're pushing on the laptop market AND there's really no need of a new TR, they can definitely focus on the other products
That train has left the building. More performance, maybe more clocks, but doubtful we see a tdp reduction.Depends what Zen3 does - if it moves the mhz/watt needle significantly I would definitely buy TR4 over TR3 for TDP drops alone.
Changing those clocks to the TR3 equivalent will achieve the same effect I am looking for (assuming it can be done in a stable way).That train has left the building. More performance, maybe more clocks, but doubtful we see a tdp reduction.
That assumes there is a clock increase at all. Might be all IPC increases.Changing those clocks to the TR3 equivalent will achieve the same effect I am looking for (assuming it can be done in a stable way).
You get more of a TDP drop than a clock increase for every node change, and that suits me just fine.
I would say nov for hpc. Basically not for public sale, but 'shipping'.Maybe:
- Desktop September 2020 (first models)- Server November 2020- Threadripper January 2021- APUs March 2021 (last models)?
I would switch TR and APU, they're pushing on the laptop market AND there's really no need of a new TR, they can definitely focus on the other products
It's really very unlikely when you take into account that Tiger Lake is not coming to desktop.Intel is in a very very bad spot and things will get much worse before they get any better. AMD is rubbing salt in the wound with Renoir and price cuts on desktop 3000 series. Zen 3 for desktop will be brutal blow, even Tigerlake on 10nm on desktop with clock parity (highly unlikely to happen) would just get them about equal per core and per clock to Zen 3 desktop models.
It's really very unlikely when you take into account that Tiger Lake is not coming to desktop.
So basically AMD just launched a uh, 7nm monolithic desktop APU line. Cool =DThere is a rumour of a TigerLake-H part. 8c/16t. That would be the uh, desktop part I guess.
So basically AMD just launched a uh, 7nm monolithic desktop APU line. Cool =D
Its not already brutal ? AMD owns server, hedt, and most of desktop, and now with Renoir, the laptop space. They have been screwed for months.That's true , I was just think aloud.Renoir has already set the bar very high, I think intel know they are screwed. Zen3 is close though, some sources claim early summer, some late summer. Whatever it is, it will be brutal.
I was considering snagging a 3900X at $399, but I may just wait for the 4900X or whatever chip has an oversized L3$ per core for my DC workload if the IPC really does hit a 15% boost and the power draw is essentially the same. An IPC gain of 15% tells me they're probably not going to N7P, but rather N7+, even though it seems like they're trying to backtrack on their slides.Zen 3 , according to multiple sources will have 15+% IPC boost vs Zen 2. Since current top Renoir models are 3.3 base and 4.3Ghz boost clock, even if Vermeer/whatever it's called for mobile gets the same clocks, we would essentially have a 8C/16T 95W Zen2 (3000 desktop line) performance in 15-25W package, which is mind blowing. Intel would need a Golden Cove core on 7nm to equal or *maybe* beat that performance provided they have clock parity. AMD is just distancing themselves further and further away from intel parts as time goes by.
I doubt anyone but someone from AMD knows the answer to that question, but H1 2021 is probably a safe bet. I wouldn't bet om any kore just yet, the next year looks a bit uncertain all things considered.Who knows when a Zen3-based APU will be available, though? Earliest I would expect it would be Jan 2021.
This has been my recent thinking too, but AMD may well stagger the Zen 3 launch and a 4900x may not be amongst the first release of Zen 3 products.I was considering snagging a 3900X at $399, but I may just wait for the 4900X or whatever chip has an oversized L3$ per core for my DC workload if the IPC really does hit a 15% boost and the power draw is essentially the same. An IPC gain of 15% tells me they're probably not going to N7P, but rather N7+, even though it seems like they're trying to backtrack on their slides.
I was considering snagging a 3900X at $399, but I may just wait for the 4900X or whatever chip has an oversized L3$ per core for my DC workload if the IPC really does hit a 15% boost and the power draw is essentially the same. An IPC gain of 15% tells me they're probably not going to N7P, but rather N7+, even though it seems like they're trying to backtrack on their slides.
When did they say it will be N7P?No, it will be N7P. AMD has already stated this and they have also shown shown that there is plenty of performance to be had from optimizations. Look at Vega vs Renoir and Navi vs next gen. I strongly suspect that this next gen is all about power/performance optimizations, clock speeds, and feature enhancements.