That thing is completely fake.Well this road map goes very well with the latest 5nm rumor.
We could have a CES 2021 release of ZEN 3 with availability in February/March 2021.
Andrei nailed it. The pipeline for server products and respective contracts is too long to switch off Milan. OEMs and customers would have a fit. A 5N Vermeer chiplet wouldn't be a re-tape, it would be a redesign. Now, if demand for Milan is sky high, then maybe it does make sense to delay Vermeer and put it on a 5nm node to meet demand requirements for Milan on 7N. This would have the advantage of shrinking the chiplet size on Vermeer allowing AMD to produce more many more dice per wafer for it's consumer brands. It's the only thing that makes sense IF this rumor is true.Also as @Andrei. mentions, this makes little sense for servers. After all Milan has been sampling for a while. since late last year if some rumors are accurate, no-way that was 5nm:
Such a change so late would be a very big no-no for server vendors (as this means new lengthy validations, etc and might slip schedules). So this would mean that (at least the initial) Milan Server parts would still need to be improved 7nm.
Yet considering that server would be the platform that would benefit the most from 5nm+ (and one of the easiest to cover expensive production costs) I could see them getting new SKUs later with 5nm chips as well.
Mmm its just a momentary frenzy while digesting juicy information. Many got a bit excited.Andrei nailed it. The pipeline for server products and respective contracts is too long to switch off Milan. OEMs and customers would have a fit. A 5N Vermeer chiplet wouldn't be a re-tape, it would be a redesign. Now, if demand for Milan is sky high, then maybe it does make sense to delay Vermeer and put it on a 5nm node to meet demand requirements for Milan on 7N. This would have the advantage of shrinking the chiplet size on Vermeer allowing AMD to produce more many more dice per wafer for it's consumer brands. It's the only thing that makes sense IF this rumor is true.
I very very much doubt that Zen4 is ready for desktop. Can't prove it, but it'd be a freaking miracle of engineering.I have no basis to say this whatsoever: Maybe they scrapped desktop Zen 3? That might explain the refresh and then Zen 4 will launch as the 4000 series earlier than originally planned (for Zen 4, but later than originally planned for the 4000 series).
But DigiTimes says it is Vermeer on 5nm+. Bizarre if that is the case. I will accept the delay part of the rumors if the refresh happens.
I doubt everything related to this rumorI very very much doubt that Zen4 is ready for desktop. Can't prove it, but it'd be a freaking miracle of engineering.
Yeah, to me the Financial Day annonucements are also suspicious. They explicitly said "7nm" on slides in march twice (for both epyc and ryzen), yet for-instance totally omitted the process for CDNA2 or RDNA3.
If there was ever any hope for a Q4 5nm+ ramp, they had to know well before the investor day that they were gonna do it. They could have just ommited the process from all those slides and noone would have suspected anything (yet they would not have lied)
Ryzen 5000I can't even keep up with the leaks...
AMD Ryzen 5000 Zen3 “Warhol” to succeed Vermeer
AMD Ryzen 5000 Zen3 "Warhol" to succeed Vermeer? - VideoCardz.com
A new leak appears to indicate that Zen3 Desktop architecture will be codenamed “Warhol”. AMD Warhol Posted by @MebiuW on Twitter (now deleted), the picture appears to be from some kind of an internal roadmap. It not only mentions “Warhol”, so far an unknown codename, but also two letters from a...videocardz.com
A very interesting interview with Lisa Su LIVE:
Lisa Su just mentioned that she feels very good about what they'll have beyond Renoir. The host explcitly asked about 5nm for future APUs (as AMD skipped those in the Financial Day slides). Lisa dodged the question pretty much, but did mention mentioned that 5nm is a very important node, they will use it heavily, Zen 4 will use it, but it's a bit early to talk about timing.
This was an answer to a quiestion talking specifically about mobile, 5nm and stuff after Renoir ...
One could spin quite a few 5nm conspiracy theories from that
EDITs:
Servers:
26:20 Still on track for 10% share 2020Q2. During second part of 2020 they will transitsion from marketshare target to how much it will be from AMD's revenue (finally!)
29:30 Server is prenominantly CPU (GPUs still minor part)
TSMC:
43:40 Wafer supply continues to be tight, but partnership is great
Interview has ended. Lots of other stuff (and probably things eariler) I missed.
5nm doesn't reuse the design rules of 7nm+.Doesn't TSMC 5nm use the same design rules as N7+? Wouldn't a node switch there be a retape?
Some think she meant phone chips (as these are usually first)She also said
- Mobile will be first to 5nm
I corrected that, then I saw your postSome think she meant phone chips (as these are usually first)
Some think she meant phone chips (as these are usually first)
That's where I stand as well. No way AMD is moving an N7+ design to N5P (which don't use the same design rules) on such a short notice, with the former already being used for sampling in datacenters. TSMC is accelerating mass production N5P, so may have asked AMD to do the same for its silicon design already in the work for N5P which would be Zen 4, not 3. Though AMD's first N5P design actually realistically would be a GPU pipecleaner. This report doesn't amount to much imo.I have no basis to say this whatsoever: Maybe they scrapped desktop Zen 3? That might explain the refresh and then Zen 4 will launch as the 4000 series earlier than originally planned (for Zen 4, but later than originally planned for the 4000 series).
They might have put some IA police to work releasing random code names on random tsmc processes to catch out leakers so watch out.I can't even keep up with the leaks...
Maybe it's a 'bomb chip' for the Atari VCS, what do you think atari2600?Sounds too good to be true IMO.