Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

[Kenmitch]

On Twitter, he said or replied this.

- "AMD Overclocking menu in bios "

- and as expected only on "B550 , X570 , sTRX40 , sTRX80" motherboards

It'll be easier to play around in Ryzen Master to get the clocks/voltage correct. Setting in uEFI would be best, but more trial and error most likely. Maybe they'll add the save to uEFI?

 

[leoneazzurro]

It'll be easier to play around in Ryzen Master to get the clocks/voltage correct. Setting in uEFI would be best, but more trial and error most likely. Maybe they'll add the save to uEFI?

Ryzen Master, however, does not save the settings related to the CPU to the BIOS, but only the RAM ones. This means that you need to start it every time in order to apply the changes. Another program that does that (and it starts with the PC everytime) is Zenstates.

 

[Kenmitch]

Ryzen Master, however, does not save the settings related to the CPU to the BIOS, but only the RAM ones. This means that you need to start it every time in order to apply the changes. Another program that does that (and it starts with the PC everytime) is Zenstates.

That's why I said maybe they'll add the option. Using a saved profile in Ryzen Master works if not. Playing around in the uEFI would be fine once clocks and stability are good to go.

I don't use Ryzen Master for my memory overclock. B-die is easy to tweak in the uEfI. Only issue I have is MSI messed up the 3 most recent uEFI's as I can't run 3800 1:1 with stability. I have to settle for 3600 CL14 or revert back to a older uEFI. I'm not sure what they changed? Really wasn't worth the effort to go to 3800 CL15 anyways. I get a instant not going to work crackling sound on boot up when playing around trying to figure it out.

 

[Asterox]

If one Zen 3 CCD has 8 Cores, than 10/20 model is usable leftover from not so good 16/32 version?

- he notes "10 Cores per 2 CCD-s"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302989616463708162

 

[DrMrLordX]

Didn't this guy throw a tantrum a year ago because AMD didn't credit him with something?

No idea, though AMD is pretty notorious for not really supporting the community hackers that try to make life easier for AMD users. Look at The_Stilt.

 

[eek2121]

I had a tool that I built for Zen 1 that allowed you to do something somewhat similar, though it only worked on some motherboards and only on all cores.

You could basically create a custom boost profile by defining steps based on CPU utilization. CPU utilization up to 50% raise clocks to 4.1 ghz. CPU usage at 0%? drop clocks/voltage down to minimal levels.

I would love to be able to do this on a per core basis. A custom turbo algorithm would allow chips to boost much higher. Zen 2’s boosting algorithm was way too aggressive. If I am playing a game utilizing 4 cores, I don’t want the rest of my cores dancing around. I want my power and thermal budget to focus on those 4 cores.

 

[eek2121]

If one Zen 3 CCD has 8 Cores, than 10/20 model is usable leftover from not so good 16/32 version?

- he notes "10 Cores per 2 CCD-s"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302989616463708162

It sounds like the redesigned CCD will allow for some interesting combinations.

 

[CakeMonster]

10 core? Won't Zen3 replace the whole lineup? I have an 8 core 9900K and I doubt you can convince me to upgrade for a 25% core increase unless the IPC blows it out of the water. Now 12 or 16 with better ST performance on the other hand....

 

[DrMrLordX]

10 core? Won't Zen3 replace the whole lineup? I have an 8 core 9900K and I doubt you can convince me to upgrade for a 25% core increase unless the IPC blows it out of the water. Now 12 or 16 with better ST performance on the other hand....

First Zen3 chips out of the gate will probably be 12c and 16c. 10c will probably be harvested chips sold down the line.

 

[Asterox]

It sounds like the redesigned CCD will allow for some interesting combinations.

A little later he mentions this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302997948029120513

 

[etrin]

aren't all the intel boards pci 3? I looked at the newer 490's and they are.
So shouldn't all testing of the new video cards be done on AMD?
I remember when they said zen 3 would be released in sept. did they say what year?

I wonder will people with older systems say pci 2.0 will they see any improvement with the new cards?

 

[moinmoin]

A little later he mentions this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302997948029120513

So the same spiel as with current CCXs, just that one CCX has 8 cores instead of 4.

 

[cytg111]

So a month (and change) out, and no real performance leaks yet? Mmmmmm...

 

[eek2121]

A little later he mentions this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1302997948029120513

I imagine a 14 core chip is possible.

Also, AMD could very easily do some type of big.little type of setup if they wanted.

EDIT: Judging by the recent Zen 2 and XT chips along with the Zen 3 engineering sample leaks, it sounds like most Zen 3 models will boost quite high. It will be interesting to see what direction they go when it comes to clock speeds for lower SKUs.

I imagine that the x600 SKUs will receive quite a boost.

 

[eek2121]

So a month (and change) out, and no real performance leaks yet? Mmmmmm...

I’m rather impressed at the lack of leaks TBH.

 

[maddie]

I’m rather impressed at the lack of leaks TBH.

Almost state level counter intel stuff.

 

[DrMrLordX]

aren't all the intel boards pci 3? I looked at the newer 490's and they are.

With Comet Lake-S, yes. Rocket Lake-S should allow PCIe 4.0.

 

[randomhero]

Why suprise regarding possible 10 core?
10 and 14 core were always on the table with new ccx arrangement.
We had that discussion months ago.

 

[A///]

Either a 4700X or 4800X will get dropped, the 4600X will shed the 6/12 structure and go 8/16 and the aforementioned go 10/20 to compete with Intel's then Rocketlake S @ 8/16? I had a major brain fart this morning when I read Yuri's post and thought he was suggesting the new structure would allow for 10 cores per CCD.

I got a little excited over the idea of a 20/40 Ryzen desktop processor before I reread his posts hours later.

The things I'd do for a 20/40 Ryzen 9 4950X @ $750...

 

[LightningZ71]

This is a great time for AMD to rationalize their product naming cycle. 4100x for two cores, 4200 for four cores, 4300 for six cores, 4400 for eight cores, 4500 for ten cores, 4600 for twelve cores, 4700 for fourteen cores and 4800 for sixteen cores. Reserve 4900 and above for threadrippers.

 

[jamescox]

Either a 4700X or 4800X will get dropped, the 4600X will shed the 6/12 structure and go 8/16 and the aforementioned go 10/20 to compete with Intel's then Rocketlake S @ 8/16? I had a major brain fart this morning when I read Yuri's post and thought he was suggesting the new structure would allow for 10 cores per CCD.

I got a little excited over the idea of a 20/40 Ryzen desktop processor before I reread his posts hours later.

The things I'd do for a 20/40 Ryzen 9 4950X @ $750...

It is the same max number of cores as Zen 2, so they may not change much. A 10 core part might just be a R7-4850X. Placing it in the R7 price range rather than R9 might be a good marketing position against Intel since Intel top end may be more in the R7 range of performance rather than R9. Not sure that they need to put anything between 12 and 16 cores really. Just because they can doesn’t mean that they will. I don’t know if they will actually have much competition for the 12 and 16 core parts. The gigantic caches may put them way above Intel in that range. The 12 core will be 2x 6-core with 32MB L3 each. Previous Zen 2 12-core is 4x 3-core with 16MB L3 each.

 

[coercitiv]

This is a great time for AMD to rationalize their product naming cycle. 4100x for two cores, 4200 for four cores, 4300 for six cores, 4400 for eight cores, 4500 for ten cores, 4600 for twelve cores, 4700 for fourteen cores and 4800 for sixteen cores. Reserve 4900 and above for threadrippers.

This is a great time for AMD to rationalize their namig cycle: 5000 series. And don't screw up when Cezanne comes in.

 

[A///]

It is the same max number of cores as Zen 2, so they may not change much. A 10 core part might just be a R7-4850X. Placing it in the R7 price range rather than R9 might be a good marketing position against Intel since Intel top end may be more in the R7 range of performance rather than R9. Not sure that they need to put anything between 12 and 16 cores really. Just because they can doesn’t mean that they will. I don’t know if they will actually have much competition for the 12 and 16 core parts. The gigantic caches may put them way above Intel in that range. The 12 core will be 2x 6-core with 32MB L3 each. Previous Zen 2 12-core is 4x 3-core with 16MB L3 each.

That makes sense. It would get away from the x800X naming scheme that got slightly tainted and set it up as a leaping stone towards R9.

 

[dhanushx012]

I'm still waiting on BIOS updates for Zen2, cannot even think to speculate on Zen3, lol. pc download get-mxplayer.in

 

[DrMrLordX]

I'm still waiting on BIOS updates for Zen2, cannot even think to speculate on Zen3, lol.

. . . what?