Speculation: Ryzen 4000 series/Zen 3

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DrMrLordX

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I'm just going to drop this in here for some evidence of the staying power of good old Haswell-E.

Not sure if it makes much difference, but you're comparing 1080P Crazy results on your system to 4K Crazy results from others.

edit: okay I see a few people two pages ago comparing 1080P Crazy results. Interesting that your 5960X appears to be beating stock 10900k results as well.

@Zucker2k

Looks like system tuning is a factor. Look at the "tuned" 10920X and 10700k results:

 
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Hail The Brain Slug

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Not sure if it makes much difference, but you're comparing 1080P Crazy results on your system to 4K Crazy results from others.

edit: okay I see a few people two pages ago comparing 1080P Crazy results. Interesting that your 5960X appears to be beating stock 10900k results as well.


The benchmarks for both 1080p Crazy and 4k Crazy have been circulating. This post has the 1080p Crazy results.
 

Zucker2k

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Not sure if it makes much difference, but you're comparing 1080P Crazy results on your system to 4K Crazy results from others.

edit: okay I see a few people two pages ago comparing 1080P Crazy results. Interesting that your 5960X appears to be beating stock 10900k results as well.

@Zucker2k

Looks like system tuning is a factor. Look at the "tuned" 10920X and 10700k results:

RAM speed also makes a difference in that benchmark, yeah.
 

Makaveli

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Looks interesting so far. The 8th can't come soon enough. Of course some more leaks would be welcomed.

I have a 3700x currently and debating on upgrading it. I don't really need more power, but the tinkerer in me is interested. I guess it depends on the pricing in the end. I can always kick down the 3700x to my son's rig and sell off his 3600 to offset the cost.

It would be nice to see how far my b-die kit will go. It was a pointless adventure with the 3700x once the 1:2 divider kicked in. I figure somewhere around 4000-4200MHz @ C16 is doable.

in the same boat but I won't have a problem selling my 3800X and grabbing a Zen3 cpu. The only decision is if I also grab an RDNA2 gpu in the same month .
 

JoeRambo

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Where did this come from? Is this supposed to be zen 3? If so then they have made some great leaps and strides. Even if this is comet lake I think this is still interesting, and incredible if zen 3 hits 5.1ghz. Here's zen 2 for reference.


Original reddit VT profile came from Intel chip. And they have made great strides if they score so well in benchmark that is 51% DRAM bound in Zen2!
 

TitusTroy

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I bought the MSI X570 Tomahawk back in August but have been waiting for the new Zen 3 CPU's before building my new system...would I be able to flash the BIOS before installing the CPU?...can I flash it with the new Zen 3 CPU installed?...I don't have any spare AMD CPU's lying around as I'm currently using an older Intel i7 CPU
 

moonbogg

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It looks better, but I'm still doubting it will beat an OC'd Intel chip in gaming. Ryzen has always been bad at overclocking, so I'm assuming the performance out of the box is the best you will get, while Intel's chips will give you another what, 20% with OC? That overclocking potential matters a ton for enthusiast gamers. It makes all the difference really. We'll see.
 

itsmydamnation

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It looks better, but I'm still doubting it will beat an OC'd Intel chip in gaming. Ryzen has always been bad at overclocking, so I'm assuming the performance out of the box is the best you will get, while Intel's chips will give you another what, 20% with OC? That overclocking potential matters a ton for enthusiast gamers. It makes all the difference really. We'll see.
thats not really correct , if 1T is your game you cant really beat PBO but if all core is your game you can get a fair bit. Games are more and more multicore/thread so we will have to see the exact head room with zen3.
 

Markfw

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It looks better, but I'm still doubting it will beat an OC'd Intel chip in gaming. Ryzen has always been bad at overclocking, so I'm assuming the performance out of the box is the best you will get, while Intel's chips will give you another what, 20% with OC? That overclocking potential matters a ton for enthusiast gamers. It makes all the difference really. We'll see.
Intel (circa 2006) allowed a 100% OC. But lately, its about the same as AMD, 2-5% ?
 

A///

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AoTS doesn't care about RAM capacity. It loves tight timings and speed of your RAM. If you compare that presumed stock 5800X to the best 9900K and 10900K scores, you're comparing it to highly tuned systems, probably running custom cooling solutions.


Intel (circa 2006) allowed a 100% OC. But lately, its about the same as AMD, 2-5% ?
Core 2 Duo OC was highly dependent on your chipset. Better chipsets offered a lot more headroom. You could easily add 800 Mhz to your processor speed. It was common to buy the E6600 to get to E6700 speeds. They were pretty much the same processor with a different multipier and the $200 price difference. Often times, the E6600 clocked better than the E6700. There were people getting awful clock to 4 Ghz in those days with slightly higher vcores.

1st gen Core series was pretty dang good, too. 2nd gen Sandy was good, Ivy to a degree, and it slowed down after that. The landscape is a lot different now.
 
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A///

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Yep, still remember my KT7, KT7A, KG7 etc.
Duron 650@850... Long time ago 😃
* Nostalgia *

Duron was such an iconic name back in the day. Do you remember people jokingly calling it Durex?
Will we see any reviews of the new processors before release?
Yes, I would say between the day of announcement and release if not right after the announcement if it goes up for sale later that day or a day or two after. If the processor in the test was a review chip and a score of new BIOSes people published, then it's very likely reviewers have or are in the process of getting processors to test for reviews.
 

CHADBOGA

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I bought the MSI X570 Tomahawk back in August but have been waiting for the new Zen 3 CPU's before building my new system...would I be able to flash the BIOS before installing the CPU?...can I flash it with the new Zen 3 CPU installed?...I don't have any spare AMD CPU's lying around as I'm currently using an older Intel i7 CPU
You will be able to flash your bios with just a USB stick and your motherboard connected to a power supply.

Your manual covers this.
 

TitusTroy

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You will be able to flash your bios with just a USB stick and your motherboard connected to a power supply.

Your manual covers this.

so if I tried to boot the system with a Zen 3 CPU with an older BIOS what would happen?...I wouldn't even be able to access the BIOS?
 
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