Off topic, but, I wrote code on machines with turbo buttons on the front panel. That was long before 100Mhz was even a thing! Now give me back my cane and get off my lawn!
So, what happened to the Ryzen 4000 series? Are they just skipping that model number?
But, if you want to talk pricing ... I don't know how old you are, but I'm from a time when processors got 100% faster every year and a half, and prices were as likely to slip as rise. So, yeah, 20% is not impressive, neither is paying twice as much for twice the cores. The whole point of the industry is perf/$ -- 20% perf gain minus 10% price rise == 10% value increase. As I posted somewhat long ago, my only real hope is that 39x0 TR pricing will see a reset. We'll see :shrug:
What time was that? I'm not exactly young myself and I distinctly remember pretty pathetic performance upgrades in the past. What you usually got was a 100MHz clock bump and 0 IPC increase.
The APUs do use it on desktop. So far only OEM only Pro SKUs though.On desktop, yes.
This is your take now:It will be utter destruction accross the board, I would feel sorry for intel if they were not such a money grab conmpany
Are you still feeling plush about your "utter destruction" in gaming comment? Don't forget, 10900k will do 5GHz+ overclocks.Impressive across the board. Now with absolute best IPC and almost hitting 5Ghz with ST Turbo, AMD is the go to choice for poorly threaded workloads as well. Golden Cove needs to arrive yesterday.
The APUs do use it on desktop. So far only OEM only Pro SKUs though.
I guess in the long run it will replace the 3000 series CPUs on desktop, whenever the quantity is finally there and Epyc 2 phases out.
And it gets beat by the 5900x, maybe even the 5800x, we have to wait on the benchmarks. Who cares about 5 ghz, when you have 20% better IPC ? Are you still living in the 90s ?This is what you said in response to my pointing out your bold claims:
This is your take now:
Are you still feeling plush about your "utter destruction comment" in gaming comment? Don't forget, 10900k will do 5GHz+ overclocks.
Of course, Zen3 is superior chip in every regard. I nailed the IPC claims (proof in signature) and I always like to look back to what we discussed in the past. Let's see how many people will choose inferior intel chip on a dead end platform versus a monster that Zen3 is. Not many I believe. Sure the present intel users who only game will not be that pressed to jump ship, but +20% in non GPU bound games is utter destruction and you know it.This is what you said in response to my pointing out your bold claims:
This is your take now:
Are you still feeling plush about your "utter destruction" in gaming comment? Don't forget, 10900k will do 5GHz+ overclocks.
All mentions of Intel's chip point to AMD using essentially the same system configuration for both systems:What is interesting, is that AMD tested ZEN3 vs ZEN2 game performance on DDR4 3600, not your average stock config, i wonder what settings 10900K was run at? If also 3600, AMD has respectable lead in gaming versus Skylake now.
If it was done versus "stock" Intel, then well tuned systems will have parity in gaming, still very respectable, given the fact that memory is still going to be worse latency than Intel.
Need independent reviews and while AT is legendary in core deep dives and IPC investigations with SPEC2006, sadly in gaming Anandtech is irrelevant for enthusiasts due to 2666C24 setups they have for Intel memory.
WINRAR!!!!!i demand 20% IPC avg + 5% boost + >5% base
fight me
They were BOTH 3600, and identical hardware, except motherboard and CPU. Its here somewhere or in the 5000 series thread.What is interesting, is that AMD tested ZEN3 vs ZEN2 game performance on DDR4 3600, not your average stock config, i wonder what settings 10900K was run at? If also 3600, AMD has respectable lead in gaming versus Skylake now.
If it was done versus "stock" Intel, then well tuned systems will have parity in gaming, still very respectable, given the fact that memory is still going to be worse latency than Intel.
Need independent reviews and while AT is legendary in core deep dives and IPC investigations with SPEC2006, sadly in gaming Anandtech is irrelevant for enthusiasts due to 2666C24 setups they have for Intel memory.
It's the same DDR4 3600 ram on intel system. Gamers Nexus confirmed that with AMD as wellWhat is interesting, is that AMD tested ZEN3 vs ZEN2 game performance on DDR4 3600, not your average stock config, i wonder what settings 10900K was run at? If also 3600, AMD has respectable lead in gaming versus Skylake now.
If it was done versus "stock" Intel, then well tuned systems will have parity in gaming, still very respectable, given the fact that memory is still going to be worse latency than Intel.
Need independent reviews and while AT is legendary in core deep dives and IPC investigations with SPEC2006, sadly in gaming Anandtech is irrelevant for enthusiasts due to 2666C24 setups they have for Intel memory.
Zen 3 looks great so far, now the question is how good will be Cezanne? It will depend on how much L3 cache will be AMD willing to invest. Renoir had only 1/4 or 8MB instead of the full 32MB. Hopefully it will be at least 16MB.
I would wait until you can buy a 5000 series. You never know, they might have a 5700x by then.Welp, looks good. I'm a bit disappointed there's no 5700x part, because I don't want to pay $450 for an 8 core CPU. I'm a bit surprised the 5600x will be $300. The $50 increase in most stacks makes sense, but feel like that's a bit much for a more mid ranged part. Thinking I'll probably upgrade my 1600 to a 5600x, then.
Im guessing exactly the same , 1 single pool of 8mb, and same size GPU. Overall SOC size the same as Renoir.Zen 3 looks great so far, now the question is how good will be Cezanne? It will depend on how much L3 cache will be AMD willing to invest. Renoir had only 1/4 or 8MB instead of the full 32MB.
OC will be interesting im hoping a 5600 comes out not to long after launch.Welp, looks good. I'm a bit disappointed there's no 5700x part, because I don't want to pay $450 for an 8 core CPU. I'm a bit surprised the 5600x will be $300. The $50 increase in most stacks makes sense, but feel like that's a bit much for a more mid ranged part. Thinking I'll probably upgrade my 1600 to a 5600x, then.
I know right? As if they forgot how things were before Ryzen, $1000 8 Core Desktop CPUs, $50,000 Xeon Processors and then Bamm Ryzen 1800X for $500, ThreadRipper 16C/32T for $1000. Forward to Zen 3 and Top of the line 8C/16T Ryzen and 16C/32T are actually less expensive but nearly 40% IPC improvement(but more performance since these have higher clocks) and People are actually complaining? Really. Anyone complaining should be ashamed, you are bunch of ungrateful bunch.By those, todays prices are cheap, you all are spoiled (that are whining about price)
If you go back further, it gets worse. A DX2-66 for $500 in circa 1988 ? or below ? 8 MEG of ram at the same time was $320 ? I need to scan my old invoices (I actually have some that old), but hardware just gets faster and cheaper every year. Its only the "new kids" that think its too expensive. Anyone from my era knows these are good prices for what you are getting. Right now (newegg) the 3700x is $320, and the 10700 (non-k) is $320. Since Intel has nothing to compete with the 5000 series, prices are in line IMO.I know right? As if they forgot how things were before Ryzen, $1000 8 Core Desktop CPUs, $50,000 Xeon Processors and then Bamm Ryzen 1800X for $500, ThreadRipper 16C/32T for $1000. Forward to Ryzen 3 and Top of the line 8C/16T Ryzen and 16C/32T are actually less expensive but nearly 40% IPC improvement(but more performance since these have higher clocks) and People are actually complaining? Really. Anyone complaining should be ashamed, you are bunch of ungrateful bunch.
One would hope so! I remember very well the price of my wife's original PC, and my A3000. I think I paid close to four figures(*) for an expansion box with 2MB of RAM in it. Actually, you have a point about the step-wise nature of perf/price advances, but agreeing is no fun, and I've been dragged into this, so in the finest tradition of sunk-cost fallacy....By those, todays prices are cheap, you all are spoiled (that are whining about price)
Off topic, but, I wrote code on machines with turbo buttons on the front panel. That was long before 100Mhz was even a thing! Now give me back my cane and get off my lawn!