Speed cameras approved in a total of 265 locations across NYC and LI

[Kaido]

So do they just send the owner of the car the ticket, even if they're not the driver? I lent a friend my car to pick up a couch across the border in Mass & he accidentally went through the Speedpass lane instead of the Cash lane and I received a nice $50 fine in the mail, which I had to dispute, which was a pain. He paid it and they were able to transfer the paperwork, but it was headache! I don't mind them ticketing people for violations, but they need a better system for identifying the driver - it took me a couple days to figure out what had happened since it was like a month prior & I hadn't been anywhere near the border during that time.

 

[Possessed Freak]

So, the middle school less than a mile from me is located off a sloping main road. The speed limit goes from 55 to 35 as you enter town and then 15 immediately after if the school zone light is blinking. I have no problem getting to 35. I have no problem getting to 15. However if I were to IDLE my car after I got down to 15, it would soon creep up to 20-25 with gravity helping.

I am aware of this, I ride my brakes all the way down that hill. But I find it ridiculous to think that 25 would be a 10 over in a school zone penalty given the situation.

Plus there are a CRAPTON of false positive lights going off when school is out of session or half day or whatever.

 

[Zee]

So do they just send the owner of the car the ticket, even if they're not the driver? I lent a friend my car to pick up a couch across the border in Mass & he accidentally went through the Speedpass lane instead of the Cash lane and I received a nice $50 fine in the mail, which I had to dispute, which was a pain. He paid it and they were able to transfer the paperwork, but it was headache! I don't mind them ticketing people for violations, but they need a better system for identifying the driver - it took me a couple days to figure out what had happened since it was like a month prior & I hadn't been anywhere near the border during that time.

The car owner gets the fine and the administrative fees. it's usually an average of 65 administrative fee in NY. 95 in manhattan probably

 

[Phoenix86]

Those of you saying this is not about revenue generation are either naive or just borderline retarded. The companies that install/maintain these cameras spend millions of dollars lobbying local politicians to install these because they are huge cash cows for the company and for the State. I've seen some of the lobbying and the "data" and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Speed and red light cameras are legalized extortion because the fines are structured in such a way that , even if you're innocent, it hurts you to fight.

I'm kind of shocked to see people agree with MORE monitoring.

Oh, sorry, this is for SCHOOL zones. I must not have been thinking about the children.

Seriously, when does it stop? When it's viable to have drones following everyone issuing tickets every time a law is broken? I bet the most honest person in the world breaks a law once or twice a day. Speeding 1MPH over, forgetting to use a turn signal, something.

I know that's a slippery slope argument, and that's the extreme, which isn't likely to happen at all. There's a LOT of middle ground between a red light camera and a drone following people. Honestly, I;m not sure I like any of the points between here and there.

 

[brandonb]

Where in denver?

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.721748,-104.9560938,16z

Right next to Bromwell Elementary School on Jospehine.

 

[brandonb]

I'll believe this is not bullshit when you post proof.

I tried to find some evidence and could not find any. It was on the ticket that I mailed in with my payment. I do remember having a conversation with a friend of mine who was in school to be lawyer about it, and we were joking about how crooked it was. But in the end, it wasn't worth fighting it. I tried to find a copy online but to no avail.

While googling for said "proof" it was talking about how a company was contracted to do this and were not actual police officers and none of it is legally binding. It talked about how the forms look official but you could completely ignore it entirely with no repercussions against you.

It could be that the company said you'd be assessed points if you fought it, even if the law said it would not assess points, just to confuse or scare people into paying. Not sure anymore, it was 8 years ago.

http://kdvr.com/2011/04/28/photo-radar-tickets-may-not-be-worth-the-paper-theyre-written-on/

 

[KeithTalent]

not seeing a problem here. slowdown you goddamn scofflaws.

Yep. Only issue I have is accuracy, but if the cameras are accurate, then I'm all for it.

KT

 

[Phoenix86]

Yep. Only issue I have is accuracy, but if the cameras are accurate, then I'm all for it.

KT

Do you realize these cameras are also being used for data collection?

http://www.wired.com/2013/07/license-plate-readers/

Read the PDF.

 

[KeithTalent]

Do you realize these cameras are also being used for data collection?

http://www.wired.com/2013/07/license-plate-readers/

Read the PDF.

They know where I'm driving? Yeah, don't care. /shrug

KT

 

[Phoenix86]

They know where I'm driving? Yeah, don't care. /shrug

KT

Apathy doesn't seem your style. It's far more than that, did you read the pdf?

In many places in America, license plate readers were initially deployed relatively sparsely, for example, at the entry and exit points of various towns.24 But as license plate readers have proliferated, they no longer capture individuals’ movements at only a few points. Increasingly, they are capturing drivers’ locations outside church, the doctor’s office, and school, giving law enforcement and private companies that run the largest databases the ability to build detailed pictures of our lives.

Location data can reveal extremely sensitive information about who we are and what we do. As the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit explained in a recent GPS tracking case:

A person who knows all of another’s travels can deduce whether he is a weekly church goer, a heavy drinker, a regular at the gym, an unfaithful husband, an outpatient receiving medical treatment, an associate of particular individuals or political groups — and not just one such fact about a person, but all such facts.

And license plate readers can be used for tracking people’s movements for months or years on end, chilling the exercise of our cherished rights to free speech and association.

Why do they need that data again?

Oh right, they are just slowing people down to save the children.

 

[Possessed Freak]

They know where I'm driving? Yeah, don't care. /shrug

KT

Until they sell the information to 3rd companies.

 

[smackababy]

Apathy doesn't seem your style. It's far more than that, did you read the pdf?

In many places in America, license plate readers were initially deployed relatively sparsely, for example, at the entry and exit points of various towns.24 But as license plate readers have proliferated, they no longer capture individuals’ movements at only a few points. Increasingly, they are capturing drivers’ locations outside church, the doctor’s office, and school, giving law enforcement and private companies that run the largest databases the ability to build detailed pictures of our lives.

Location data can reveal extremely sensitive information about who we are and what we do. As the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit explained in a recent GPS tracking case:

A person who knows all of another’s travels can deduce whether he is a weekly church goer, a heavy drinker, a regular at the gym, an unfaithful husband, an outpatient receiving medical treatment, an associate of particular individuals or political groups — and not just one such fact about a person, but all such facts.

And license plate readers can be used for tracking people’s movements for months or years on end, chilling the exercise of our cherished rights to free speech and association.

Why do they need that data again?

Oh right, they are just slowing people down to save the children.

And, all that data is already being given to the phone company. And likely posted on Facebook for the public to see anyway.

 

[bradley]

Apathy doesn't seem your style. It's far more than that, did you read the pdf?

In this time in our history, Americans truly are so apathetic. We get it, you only care about very basic and limited things and are content with your head in the sand. The mind is fairly vast and capable of containing lots of information, you know. I only get offended when some try to impose their apathy on me, not happening.

 

[HumblePie]

The main problem with these ticket cameras is they encourage those receiving the fees to go out of their way to generate the most revenue they can from them. It's a for profit venture every time.

For example in Houston, they rarely ever put any of the red light cameras by any poor neighborhood. It was always by the rich places or outside big shopping centers.

They are known to do shitty things like change the timings on the lights so that the yellow lights last below the minimum threshold for safety and laws. They use speed cameras on areas where they reduce speed in a temporary spot on purpose for no other reason than to generate more tickets. There were several such places around here, especially near smaller towns, that for years would do things like put churchs and schools right on main thoroughfares on purpose just to get more tickets generated on purpose. Or they would reduce the speed limit of a small section of the street by 10 mph just for more tickets. I am talking like 50 feet of distance with no reason at all for the reduced speed. It would be a spot that was originally 40 mph the entire street, but they make it 30 mph on a small stretch because they can.

For most of these ticket cameras, they are run by private companies and not actual law enforcement, which is a different can of worms. Because most states have laws that state only law enforcement officers can enforce any law. Still they were turning a blind on to a private company "enforcing" the law because it was lining some politicians pockets for awhile.

It's the same problem with the privatized prison system. The prisons only make max money when they are full. When they aren't full, they don't make money. So they lobby and do whatever they can to stay at near max capacity.

It turns the system from one of public safety and health, to one of pure greed.

 

[Phoenix86]

And, all that data is already being given to the phone company. And likely posted on Facebook for the public to see anyway.

This is so stupid I can barely bring myself to type this reply.

Go sit in the corner for 5 minutes and think about what you have done.

 

[pauldun170]

The main problem with these ticket cameras is they encourage those receiving the fees to go out of their way to generate the most revenue they can from them. It's a for profit venture every time.

For example in Houston, they rarely ever put any of the red light cameras by any poor neighborhood. It was always by the rich places or outside big shopping centers.

They are known to do shitty things like change the timings on the lights so that the yellow lights last below the minimum threshold for safety and laws. They use speed cameras on areas where they reduce speed in a temporary spot on purpose for no other reason than to generate more tickets. There were several such places around here, especially near smaller towns, that for years would do things like put churchs and schools right on main thoroughfares on purpose just to get more tickets generated on purpose. Or they would reduce the speed limit of a small section of the street by 10 mph just for more tickets. I am talking like 50 feet of distance with no reason at all for the reduced speed. It would be a spot that was originally 40 mph the entire street, but they make it 30 mph on a small stretch because they can.

For most of these ticket cameras, they are run by private companies and not actual law enforcement, which is a different can of worms. Because most states have laws that state only law enforcement officers can enforce any law. Still they were turning a blind on to a private company "enforcing" the law because it was lining some politicians pockets for awhile.

It's the same problem with the privatized prison system. The prisons only make max money when they are full. When they aren't full, they don't make money. So they lobby and do whatever they can to stay at near max capacity.

It turns the system from one of public safety and health, to one of pure greed.

That tends to be the narrative for Speed Camera, stop light camera installations.

 

[smackababy]

This is so stupid I can barely bring myself to type this reply.

Go sit in the corner for 5 minutes and think about what you have done.

Cell phones triangulate your position 100% of the time they are connect AND with GPS being included in modern phones, that is likely being stored as well. And, take a look at the average Facebook. Everyone posts where they are going and what they are doing there. I'm just waiting for that news story where a guy was caught cheating because he checked in at his mistress's house with the hashtag #cheating. We already have a story where a guy logged into Facebook in a house he was robbing and forgot to log out. Shit, might as well have just checked in and did #b&e.

 

[Phoenix86]

Cell phones triangulate your position 100% of the time they are connect AND with GPS being included in modern phones, that is likely being stored as well. And, take a look at the average Facebook. Everyone posts where they are going and what they are doing there. I'm just waiting for that news story where a guy was caught cheating because he checked in at his mistress's house with the hashtag #cheating. We already have a story where a guy logged into Facebook in a house he was robbing and forgot to log out. Shit, might as well have just checked in and did #b&e.

I'm well aware of how facebook and smartphones work. Are you aware that voluntary collection of data (check your terms of service) != involuntary government collection of data?

 

[Brainonska511]

Are you aware that voluntary collection of data (check your terms of service) != involuntary government collection of data?

LOL - voluntary. Those service contracts are very one-sided. What are you going to do? Not enter the cell phone market and limit your possible economic output and opportunities?

You could make the same argument for roads. No one is forcing you to drive. You can always walk somewhere and not have to worry about having your license plate tracked.

 

[HumblePie]

LOL - voluntary. Those service contracts are very one-sided. What are you going to do? Not enter the cell phone market and limit your possible economic output and opportunities?

You could make the same argument for roads. No one is forcing you to drive. You can always walk somewhere and not have to worry about having your license plate tracked.

You can use one off phones with pre-paid no contract carriers and pay for the pre-payment cards in cash. Still get the benefit of cell phone, and even smartphone service without being tracked. It's a bit more up front money for the average user and a bit more hassle, but one many people have chosen lately to remain off the grid.

 

[MustISO]

We've got plenty of speed cameras near us. They're pretty stationary is most place although they occasionally move them. I drive 5 mph over near them and then make up for it when I'm out of range. They do bring in a ton of revenue although they also cost a ton to maintain. It's quite a racket.

 

[Phoenix86]

LOL - voluntary. Those service contracts are very one-sided. What are you going to do? Not enter the cell phone market and limit your possible economic output and opportunities?

You could make the same argument for roads. No one is forcing you to drive. You can always walk somewhere and not have to worry about having your license plate tracked.

Yes, voluntary. Did someone force it in your hands? Do you have to use all those services built into the phone?

There's a fair amount of data collection that will happen regardless, but a: it's not the government b: it's still not forced on you. You can use burner phones that aren't associated to you as well.

 

[Zee]

Cameras are going up! reported poles placed about a block away from a bunch pf schools across the said region

more sites are being targeted. I saw one go up. DOT have a car that they park, set up cones in front of it to measure distance and calibrate the camera and then mark the spot and angle of the camera

 

[MongGrel]

that seems reasonable...10mph over the speed limit in a school zone. Question is...what happens when the camera erroneously finds you guilty.

Probably won't, there are a few down here and we were even talking about it today and a retired cop that works where I do said he got one himself and they had a sight they actually played back what he was doing on video.

They aren't particular, if you're speeding or running red lights etc they'll pop ya for the money.

They just bust you now and show it to you most the time.

 

[MongGrel]

My wife actually said her sister got one down here from Ft Lauderdale incorrectly because someone typed in one number wrong, that's the other side of the state.

More first world problems.