Speed limits going up

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SparkyJJO

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Should have then walked into the station and let them know about the idiot out in the parking lot, license plate number and all
 

bryanW1995

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I got to enjoy that 80 mph speed limit in far west texas last year. It still feels like you're standing still when there is nothing for miles in every direction. And I was driving a minivan.
 

Kadarin

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Nov 23, 2001
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The six speed in my GTO loves the highway. Faster the better. At 65 - 70 my rpms are like 1800 - 1900. Car gets 24mpg highway. Not bad for a 6.0 and a car weighing 3900lbs.

My GT500 is the same way; 65mph = about 1200rpm, 80 = 1900. So at highway speeds the engine is just barely ticking over. Not bad for a 550hp car that manages to avoid the gas guzzler tax.
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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new rule: remove all 4 way stops and put traffic circles everywhere. I've never seen anyone have a problem with those.

And watch people cry over the raising of taxes or increasing deficits to pay for it. Everyone wants everything but nobody wants to pay for it. Not to mention that I'm sure that there is plenty of room at every 4 way stop to throw in a traffic circle.
 

CraigRT

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I mean that I wish the speed limit were 55mph, period. And everyone observed it.

I would be happy if people just learned to observe the current speed limits.

Some people have places to go.
I drive a lot, not by choice, last thing I want is a lower speed limit.
I feel like I could jog beside traffic when going 55 on the highway. Useless.
 

Bootleg Betty

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And watch people cry over the raising of taxes or increasing deficits to pay for it. Everyone wants everything but nobody wants to pay for it. Not to mention that I'm sure that there is plenty of room at every 4 way stop to throw in a traffic circle.

Also, circles are really annoying. On a normal intersection, if you see there's no-one around, you can just go without slowing. On a traffic circle you need to slow down even when you're the only person in ten kilometer range.

Wait, you have intersections with all STOP signs? That's weird. What happened with normal intersection with one main road and one secondary road? Those are the best.
 

ShawnD1

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May 24, 2003
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Wait, you have intersections with all STOP signs? That's weird. What happened with normal intersection with one main road and one secondary road? Those are the best.

Yes and the person who invented them is worse than Hitler. A lot of the time it's at important intersections in residential areas that are 2 lanes in each direction and they back up as far as the eye can see during rush hour.

This is not my picture, but it shows what I'm talking about. Notice how this intersection is not in some farm area where houses are 20 miles apart. The houses in this picture are in a normal residential area. Hundreds of houses feed onto these residential roads, every house has a car feeding into the four way stop. You'll be lucky to get across that intersection in less than 20 minutes in rush hour.

 

TridenT

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Nope. The only thing unsafe are flocks of dozens of cars bunched up and unable to move because half a dozen oblivious drivers spread out doing 40 in a 55 and hell bent on claiming the road as their own.

Try as I might to stay in my lane and maintain a steady speed and avoid excessive lane changes, there are assholes in every lane with 15 cars behind and a mile of empty road ahead. These are also the people oblivious to their rear view mirror who slam their brakes at the last possible second and come to a complete stop to make their turn in a 45+ area, or occupy two lanes for half an hour as they ride their brake and drift into the left turn lane going 15 mph for three blocks.

These are the people that cause accidents, not the 15 people maintaining a constant 65+ who are alert and staying out of each others way. Tailgating and pile ups are caused by slow traffic, not fast traffic.

Bolded is slightly wrong. Fast reckless driving does wonders for traffic problems. People who try to cut into small gaps/wait-for-gaps at the end of merges that go on for a while are what cause a lot of traffic problems.
 

WackyDan

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Nope. The only thing unsafe are flocks of dozens of cars bunched up and unable to move because half a dozen oblivious drivers spread out doing 40 in a 55 and hell bent on claiming the road as their own.

Try as I might to stay in my lane and maintain a steady speed and avoid excessive lane changes, there are assholes in every lane with 15 cars behind and a mile of empty road ahead. These are also the people oblivious to their rear view mirror who slam their brakes at the last possible second and come to a complete stop to make their turn in a 45+ area, or occupy two lanes for half an hour as they ride their brake and drift into the left turn lane going 15 mph for three blocks.

These are the people that cause accidents, not the 15 people maintaining a constant 65+ who are alert and staying out of each others way. Tailgating and pile ups are caused by slow traffic, not fast traffic.

Same can be said for the obnoxious assholes who do 20 over the limit and get pissed at you for only doing 15 over the limit. I had a dickhead in a full size chevy van get as close to my bumper as he could last week to try and push me along.... I was doing 78 in a 65 and moving by the slow lane traffic at a decent rate. I always get in the slow lane if it is open and there is plenty of run between me and the next cluster of traffic. I tapped my brakes to have him back off, and he turned into Mr. Road Rage... I'll save you the rest of the story, but it involved the state highway patrol.
 

ThatsABigOne

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At the state that I live at, Utah, I saw sections of 80mph. It is great going at 87MPH and not get pulled over..
 

BurnItDwn

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Speed limits are being increased to the 85th percentile

I've always read that the 65th percentile is generally percieved as an ideal happy median, which is probably another 5-10mph faster across the board vs the various posted limits.
 

Zargon

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Yes and the person who invented them is worse than Hitler. A lot of the time it's at important intersections in residential areas that are 2 lanes in each direction and they back up as far as the eye can see during rush hour.

This is not my picture, but it shows what I'm talking about. Notice how this intersection is not in some farm area where houses are 20 miles apart. The houses in this picture are in a normal residential area. Hundreds of houses feed onto these residential roads, every house has a car feeding into the four way stop. You'll be lucky to get across that intersection in less than 20 minutes in rush hour.


thats because people might actually need to cross the main road.
 

Mr. Lennon

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65 MPH = 70-80 in reality.
80 MPH = 85-95 in reality.

The only time I stick around the speed limit is during traffic.
 

JackBurton

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65 MPH = 70-80 in reality.
80 MPH = 85-95 in reality.

The only time I stick around the speed limit is during traffic.

I would actually support an 80MPH speed limit, however I just don't think my truck would be very safe at 80MPH, let alone faster. I guess I'll stay in the "slow" lane. Now when I'm driving my other car, I'll be doing 90-95MPH+, no problem.

The fact of the matter is, some cars just aren't safe at those speeds. Hopefully they'll stay in the slow lane.
 
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ShawnD1

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thats because people might actually need to cross the main road.
The way to make people cross is to force everyone to stop?

The rest of the world has figured out how basic math and common sense work. If you don't need to stop as often, you arrive sooner. Here a video showing you how they work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fgoRNdmhtg

The difference is that here he's not supposed to stop. At a 4 way, you stop like 30 times before you get through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDsvhAeU-Y
 
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jlee

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Same can be said for the obnoxious assholes who do 20 over the limit and get pissed at you for only doing 15 over the limit. I had a dickhead in a full size chevy van get as close to my bumper as he could last week to try and push me along.... I was doing 78 in a 65 and moving by the slow lane traffic at a decent rate. I always get in the slow lane if it is open and there is plenty of run between me and the next cluster of traffic. I tapped my brakes to have him back off, and he turned into Mr. Road Rage... I'll save you the rest of the story, but it involved the state highway patrol.

Aww, don't be a tease
 

Zargon

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Nov 3, 2009
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The way to make people cross is to force everyone to stop?

The rest of the world has figured out how basic math and common sense work. If you don't need to stop as often, you arrive sooner. Here a video showing you how they work:

The difference is that here he's not supposed to stop. At a 4 way, you stop like 30 times before you get through.

no its obviously to make them drive 5 miles out of the way around that main road that is full of traffic

any REAL intersection should have a light, but this just in, lights/controllers are frigging EXPENSIVE. stop signs are way cheaper and have a very obvious place in the world, especially 4 ways.

yes 4 ways will cause more stop and go when traffic picks up to a real heavy load ala rush hour
 

compman25

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65 MPH = 70-80 in reality.
80 MPH = 85-95 in reality.

The only time I stick around the speed limit is during traffic.

That's not true. Before raising I-15 to 80 in Utah they did traffic studies for a couple years and found that once you set it at 80 people were more likely to do 80 and not go higher. When it was set lower people did go faster, but 80 seemed to be the sweet spot in Utah.
 

punjabiplaya

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That's not true. Before raising I-15 to 80 in Utah they did traffic studies for a couple years and found that once you set it at 80 people were more likely to do 80 and not go higher. When it was set lower people did go faster, but 80 seemed to be the sweet spot in Utah.

right. You know the speed limit is correct when most people are actually driving at it
 

kalrith

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That's not true. Before raising I-15 to 80 in Utah they did traffic studies for a couple years and found that once you set it at 80 people were more likely to do 80 and not go higher. When it was set lower people did go faster, but 80 seemed to be the sweet spot in Utah.

I agree. I-44 in Oklahoma has a 75 mph speed limit, and the speed of traffic is MUCH more consistent at that speed limit than it is when it's 60 or 70 mph in Missouri. It also helps that there's not a lower truck speed limit, which would cause a lot of variance since one-third of the traffic is usually semi-trucks.

I-270 north of Detroit is another example. The speed limit was 55 or 60 mph for a long time, and about 50% the traffic would go ~70-75, and about 30% would go ~55-60. They raised the speed limit to 70mph, and 80% of the traffic was within a couple mph of the speed limit. You'll always have the outliers who have to go 15 over/under the speed limit, regardless of what it is; however, getting the majority of traffic to go the same speed should IMO be one of the most important aspects of setting a highway speed limit.
 
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