Spider-Man: Homecoming

[Skel]

Sitting at 94% critic and 92% audience.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spider_man_homecoming

So yeah most people love it.

That's fine for most people. For me it wasn't really a good showing for Spider-Man. It was great if you want a movie that was full of Avengers stuff. If you want a "Here's Spider-Man and what makes him so special" than it's a disappointment.

Spoiler

They threw out a good chunk of what made Spider-Man so awesome. The Iron-Spider suit got way too much time, as did the "hey look it's Iron Man". This movie was also the first not to use the "Great power = Great responsibility" which I'm sure is good for some, but it's replaced with "If you need the Iron Man suit than you don't deserve it"... which is amusing coming from a guy that would be nothing without his Iron Man suit. Also all the characters that weren't the comic characters, but maybe they are crap was stupid. Just put Ganke in it.. unless it's still about movie rights. I'm still not sure if Michelle who some call MJ is supposed to be Mary Jane or if they're going try and use Mary Jane down the road.. otherwise, why call her Michelle till the end.

I thought it was good. I'd probably rank it below Spider-Man 2, which I consider to be the best Spider-Man movie. I think it's a bit above the original Spider-Man, but not by much. I think the one thing that hurt the movie was most evident during the credits: the sheer number of credited screenwriters. To be fair, if the script contains any of your work (i.e. they didn't just throw away the entire thing), then you're credited as a screenwriter. To give you an idea, I think there were around 6-8 names listed during the fancy credits, and I going back and thinking about the movie, you can kind of see that. There were some moments that felt like they happened "because plot" (in other words, ham-fisted simply to further the story).

Also, I think some of the quality of the writing showed with all of those screenwriters. For example, how Flash refers to Peter as "Penis Parker" (yes, that's a thing). When he first did it, I thought, "Well, that's a fairly sophomoric, high school thing, so I guess it fits"; however, that wasn't the only time it happens in the movie... at one point, you get it repeatedly. At that point, my only thought was, "...really?"

So, there are still some elements that make it feel like a Sony movie more so a Marvel movie.

As for end-credit scenes, there are two, and neither of them really further the plot. So, if you want to save yourself some time, you can skip them. I'll detail what they are here:

Spoiler: End Credit Scene 1

In the first scene, you see Vulture in prison pass by his buyer from the Ferry scene. The criminal tells him that he blames Spider-Man for his current injuries/disfiguration, and that he wants revenge. He heard a rumor that Vulture knows who Spider-Man is, but Vulture tells him that he's mistaken.

Spoiler: End Credit Scene 2

In the second scene, which occurs at the very end, you see a full-screen Captain America video similar to the ones from throughout the movie. In this one, he goes on about the virtues of patience, which essentially mock the viewer for staying so long with absolutely no pay-off. While it sounds condescending when put that way, it was funny.

Oh, and I thought Michael Keaton was pretty good as The Vulture. The writing for him was a bit weak at time... especially given how he went from just being a blue-collared worker to becoming an arms/alien tech dealer. Essentially, he felt beaten down, but the viewer doesn't really get that as they're just introduced to the character.

EDIT:

Hm... after writing all of that, I'm actually debating my ranking. I might place it below the original Spider-Man.

Keaton was one of the few things I liked about the movie. I wasn't a huge fan of his make over, but I thought Keaton did a lot with how little he had to work with. The last end credit scene was possibly the best one of these done yet. It def showed were a lot of people are at with them.

 

[Gunbuster]

Did they literally spend zero dollars on advertising this movie? I had no idea it was coming out today...

 

[AznAnarchy99]

That's fine for most people. For me it wasn't really a good showing for Spider-Man. It was great if you want a movie that was full of Avengers stuff. If you want a "Here's Spider-Man and what makes him so special" than it's a disappointment.

Spoiler

They threw out a good chunk of what made Spider-Man so awesome. The Iron-Spider suit got way too much time, as did the "hey look it's Iron Man". This movie was also the first not to use the "Great power = Great responsibility" which I'm sure is good for some, but it's replaced with "If you need the Iron Man suit than you don't deserve it"... which is amusing coming from a guy that would be nothing without his Iron Man suit. Also all the characters that weren't the comic characters, but maybe they are crap was stupid. Just put Ganke in it.. unless it's still about movie rights. I'm still not sure if Michelle who some call MJ is supposed to be Mary Jane or if they're going try and use Mary Jane down the road.. otherwise, why call her Michelle till the end.

Spoiler

He's a kid still finding his way. You can tell he's a rookie. It's not the cliche Uncle Ben story but it is essentially an "origin" story for Spidey. You must have missed Iron Man 3 when he spent the whole movie basically finding himself without the suit. That's where I got the whole Tony mentoring Peter about learning who he is without the suit part. It's the man who makes the suit, not the suit who makes the man. Also all of those supporting characters down to the kids in the school are in the comic books, just not what is generally know to the mainstream Spidey stories.

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/...rvel-universe-easter-eggs-and-reference-guide

 

[Skel]

Also all of those supporting characters down to the kids in the school are in the comic books, just not what is generally know to the mainstream Spidey stories

A few of kids were there, like Flash (even if he was race bent and a different kind of bully), but Ganke wasn't Ganke, he was "Ned". MJ was Michelle, with a tease.

Spoiler

Liz wasn't the Vulture's daughter

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As for the rest, IM3 blew, and I didn't think it was about him finding his way without his suits, but agree to disagree. In this movie though it spent 3/4 the movie going "look how awesome this Iron Spider suit is" and then a half hour before he was back in it. Spider-Man doesn't need a suit (complete with it's own AI for fuck sake) because he's already super powered and awesome. This was a very bad attempt to shoehorn him into the MCU and also making sure to slap their most popular character Iron Man into a larger role in it... which shouldn't have been needed.. He's Spider-Man, he's the most popular IP Marvel has ever had..

 

[Pardus]

Walked out of the theater 20 mins into this, was terrible.

 

[JEDI]

Walked out of the theater 20 mins into this, was terrible.

why?

 

[zerocool84]

I enjoyed it but waaaaaay too much Iron Man in this. It makes Peter Parker's whole motivation for anything is to impress Tony Stark. That really dumbs down the movie for me. tried too hard to show its a Marvel Universe movie. It was definitely fun though. But in no way shape or form is it even close to Spiderman 2. Michael Keaton always plays a great villain so he was my favorite in the movie and I really hope he comes back in future movies in some form.

 

[blankslate]

It was actually pretty good.

As others have mentioned Michael Keaton with a lot with the attempt to provide some reasonable semblance of motivation for the villain he plays and Keaton made it work.

Keaton's character's full connection to Parker as played by Holland was a genuine surprise to me by the time it was revealed and led to perhaps one of the best moments between a hero protagonist and the villain antagonist in the history of the MCU. No special effects just two actors playing their roles in a small space.

I think they skipped the whole Uncle Ben thing because it's well known enough that most movie audiences don't need to see it again.

I like the fact that for the next movie or two it will be Peter Parker still in high school since the actor is young enough for that to be believable for a couple more movies.

As for the high tech suit it's an interesting way for the movie to provide exposition without hearing Tom Holland voicing Parker's thoughts and a nice way to bring Jennifer Connolly into the fold as the suits voice assistant... her frequent queries about using lethal mode was funny each time it happened imo.

I think it served as a device to show Peter depending on the aid of others as opposed to using all the equipment he made himself for the 3rd act. Of course the switch from wanting to become an Avenger and leave school then deciding to stay in school didn't seem to get as much focus as it needed to make it a smooth transition in character motivation.

I didn't like that they seemed to discard his classic Spider Sense but the scene where he is trapped by the Vulture and has to Spider up through sheer force of will to get out of the situation so he can stop the Vulture is a nice callback to an early comic story.

All in all it was enjoyable and felt most like Peter was actually a high school student more than the other movies.


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[futurefields]

No, this movie sucked and I'm starting to believe this whole Marvel Universe is in some kind of "too big too fail" position where they make all parties involved too much money so no matter what kind of crap they churn out it's going to get A ratings from all the critics and the general public, being the sheep that they are, are all too happy to lap up anything they are told too like.

The first Iron Man movie was good, everything since then has been mediocre.

 

[futurefields]

No character development, no sense of suspense or thrill at all in any scenes. This movie plays it so safe you know nothing is going to happen to anybody of significance. It's a movie for the "every kid gets a trophy" generation.

Oh, and how about that "politically correct" casting... I had to lol. Just.... no.

 

[JEDI]

I didn't like that they seemed to discard his classic Spider Sense but the scene where he is trapped by the Vulture and has to Spider up through sheer force of will to get out of the situation so he can stop the Vulture is a nice callback to an early comic story.

wait.. no spider sense??! wtf??
so he's just some guy that's a little strong and can climb walls?
surprised they didn't retool him to be able to talk to spiders, like antman can talk to ants.

hmm.. is his webbing artificial from wrist bracelets?
or organic from his wrists?

 

[AznAnarchy99]

No character development, no sense of suspense or thrill at all in any scenes. This movie plays it so safe you know nothing is going to happen to anybody of significance. It's a movie for the "every kid gets a trophy" generation.

Oh, and how about that "politically correct" casting... I had to lol. Just.... no.

Sorry you didn't like that everyone wasn't white? Okay.

 

[Aikouka]

hmm.. is his webbing artificial from wrist bracelets?
or organic from his wrists?

He has web shooters. You even see him work on the formula during a chemistry lab class, which afterward, I wondered if it was really that useful of a scene? Sure, it shows us that he makes the formula, but did we really care? Not so much... the movie spends more time with Peter talking to Jennifer Connelly about romance than anything else. Although, I wouldn't mind having Jennifer Connelly sweet talk me.

 

[zerocool84]

wait.. no spider sense??! wtf??
so he's just some guy that's a little strong and can climb walls?
surprised they didn't retool him to be able to talk to spiders, like antman can talk to ants.

hmm.. is his webbing artificial from wrist bracelets?
or organic from his wrists?

He makes a reference in Captain America Civil War about the googles in his homemade suit, it helps him focus because without it his senses give him information overload. So they don't explicitly say he has spidey sense but it does reference him having heightened senses.

My whole problem with this movie was that they just had to make a way to tie it into the Marvel universe. I didn't care for him to basically jizz over Tony Stark at any opportunity and not giving him a sense of self.

 

[Skel]

He makes a reference in Captain America Civil War about the googles in his homemade suit, it helps him focus because without it his senses give him information overload. So they don't explicitly say he has spidey sense but it does reference him having heightened senses.

My whole problem with this movie was that they just had to make a way to tie it into the Marvel universe. I didn't care for him to basically jizz over Tony Stark at any opportunity and not giving him a sense of self.

I so agree with you... I said this morning if you made a drinking game out of every time they said Stark you'd be hammered 20 mins in.. Even his big moment was Stark's word echoing in his head.. which came across to me as he was concerned about Stark's approval and being worth of his Iron-Spider suit than he was about saving his life and getting back into the fight to save the world.

 

[JEDI]

5/10
+1 because I saw it in 3D, else 4/10

it should have been called Iron Spider, Iron's Man's new side kick.
sidenote: I'm surprised Iron Man didn't tech up the rest of the Avengers with tech suits.

and entire floor falls on spider man (w/o tech suit). all that concrete and steel but not a scratch on him. when did he gain Thor like invulnerability?

as said above, no spider sense.
so he's basically a little stronger and faster version of captain America that can climb walls.

waaaaaaaaaaay too much Tony Stark/Iron Man.
they could have done a couple of flashbacks to Civil War as to why he has the suit and stuff.

also, a plane full of Stark tech/Armor, and Captain America's new shield but no security to protect it?!

and aunt may is Marisa Tomei, not Jennifer Connelly.

 

[RichUK]

It was lame.

 

[TheELF]

I didn't care for him to basically jizz over Tony Stark at any opportunity and not giving him a sense of self.

15 year old orphaned nerd with no father figure in his life meets bill gates/steve jobs who also happens to be one of earth's mightiest heroes,parker jizzing all over himself every time he sees tony was one of the most believable things of the whole movie.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I will just wait for the netflix release.
Ever since the sony reboots and this spiderman, i am not really excited.

 

[shortylickens]

I will just wait for the netflix release.
Ever since the sony reboots and this spiderman, i am not really excited.

I saw it in the theater. Could have easily waited for it at home.
Not a bad movie, but not as awesome as the ridiculous amount of hype would have you believe.

 

[shortylickens]

I just watched it at home. Noticed something I missed at the theater:

Suit Lady was Jennifer Connelly.

 

[lupi]

Disc release next week.

 

[Zeze]

Pretty forgettable.

 

[lupi]

Not sure why, but with my BB order i just recieved an email with a digital code. Is it not being included in the case anymore?

 

[TXHokie]

Saw it yesterday. The techie suit replacing spider sense is silly. His spider sense would've gone nuts and not surprised him when they finally met. 4/10 because 2 points for Stan Lee cameo and other 2 pts because it's simply Spiderman. Otherwise disappointed and forgettable.