spiritually vs religion

norseamd

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alright so i saw the elevation of religion post and thought discussion club had hit a new low. anyways just now i clicked on it and hopefully your thread turned out better than the other ones. anyways i had actually been planning a thread about this along with a general purpose thread about the title of this thread. so watch this video if you want and give us your thoughts. spirituality is not any religion or doctrine. just the belief of meta physics so to say. taht would not actually be a valid description but i think you can guess what spirituality means.

please do not flame this thread. especially with endless insults and doctrine. you do not need to state something 5 times.

here is the link to the video

https://www.google.com/search?q=unm...+child&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=vid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmistaken_Child

you can find info on the associated info at wikipedia
 

Soundmanred

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"spirituality".
And I have zero idea what you are trying to say or ask.

Edit: sorry, I just noticed your thread has already been ruined.
 
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moonbogg

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There is good evidence that memories are stored in the brain. When the brain dies, so do the memories. If claims to the contrary are made, then verifiable evidence needs to be brought forth or people can't be expected to believe it.
 

norseamd

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You cannot set the rules of the thread......you say no doctrine? why?

doctrine was not the word i was trying to use. do you know of a word that combines statement with doctrine or beliefs? would you like me to remove the word doctrine?
 

SlitheryDee

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I've always wondered why people who don't believe in a religion could still be susceptible to belief in "spirituality". Wouldn't they doubt spirituality for the same reasons that they doubt religion? Sure, spirituality would lack most or all of the dogma associated with known religions, but it fails in exactly the same basic way. Once you get to the root of either one you find that you never had a single good reason to believe in them. Religious people will talk about their religious texts, about "feelings" they had while praying, and about coincidental occurrences they witnessed as proof of their beliefs. Spiritual people will talk about "life energy", "auras", erroneous conceptions of the conservation of energy, or other pseudoscientific nonsense to prove their beliefs. Not a single bit of it is convincing to someone who thinks critically.
 

JEDIYoda

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well if you do not want any doctrine- which essentially is how people interpret the bible, <-- a very simplified version... why not say no doctrine and no science allowed....
seems like your asking the ones who believe in a god to talk about this with one hand tied behind there back...make it a level playing field.....
 
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justoh

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I've always wondered why people who don't believe in a religion could still be susceptible to belief in "spirituality". Wouldn't they doubt spirituality for the same reasons that they doubt religion? Sure, spirituality would lack most or all of the dogma associated with known religions, but it fails in exactly the same basic way. Once you get to the root of either one you find that you never had a single good reason to believe in them. Religious people will talk about their religious texts, about "feelings" they had while praying, and about coincidental occurrences they witnessed as proof of their beliefs. Spiritual people will talk about "life energy", "auras", erroneous conceptions of the conservation of energy, or other pseudoscientific nonsense to prove their beliefs. Not a single bit of it is convincing to someone who thinks critically.

That's like asking, "why would someone who doesn't believe in astrology think that ghosts are real?"

If you think the analogy inappropriate then please say why.

Correct me if i'm wrong but you seem to be making judgments based on unreasonable expectations about what can be inferred from what these people don't believe, ie. that someone who isn't religious shouldn't be spiritual, and for some reason ignoring why they lack that particular belief.

They could, you know, just not be into religion, or ghosts, or palm readers, or esp, or whatever. Lots of non religious people believe in all sorts of daft rubbish. One might expect that someone with a decent education would at least be very skeptical about all these things, but you can't predict what someone might believe based merely on something they don't. da fuq?
 

norseamd

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well if you do not want any doctrine- which essentially is how people interpret the bible, <-- a very simplified version... who not say no doctrine and no science allowed.... seems like your asking the ones who believe in a god to talk about this with one hand tied behind there back...make it a level playing field.....

endless doctrine
 

norseamd

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there is also that video which i thought might be a worthy discussion point. also this is eastern religion so it is not in the cultural battlefield of western religion.
 

MongGrel

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There is good evidence that memories are stored in the brain. When the brain dies, so do the memories. If claims to the contrary are made, then verifiable evidence needs to be brought forth or people can't be expected to believe it.
There are actually some high end anesthesiologest's that have worked in conjunction with a few quantum phycisist's and brain surgeons that are disputing that a bit and I found that very interesting.

I forget the old link, but *shrug*

Relates a bit to the whole dark matter a bit people said didn't even exist a few years ago.
 

Oyeve

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Spirituality, IMO, is on par with religion. Just not organized (yet). I like to call myself "open minded" when it comes to these matters. If there be a god yay, if not, whatever.
 

jackstar7

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I'm of the "if there is a god, what an asshole" line of thinking. I'm open to it, but what a total piece of shit for a being with unlimited power and knowledge.
 

Murloc

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a typical poll answer you can give is "spiritual but not religious".
To me it means you're not a convinced atheist, you're open, maybe you have spiritual experiences or believe in something, but don't adhere to rules set out by a holy text or any of that stuff. It's just an experience, not a way of life.
 

Chaotic0ne

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Here is the extent of my spirituality:

When I die, I'll ask to be buried face down in my coffin so if there is a god it can kiss my ass easier.

No I don't fear "god/s", even if there is one or more. If there is such a being/s it/they don't appear to give a damn about the affairs of this crappy little rock floating in space called Earth, or the insects that occupy here which think they're so special even though they might have evolved from the dung of a random sentient species that visited just to stop by and take a dump here over a billion years ago. I'm certainly not arrogant enough to think an allmighty sentient being is going to listen to the prayers of a groveling maggot like me. If there is a god/gods, that's likely how humanity would compare to such a being/s. If whatever species might have dropped a deuce here a billion years ago decides to stop by again, they might find a planet teaming with lower level lifeforms that aren't unlike what they've seen on thousands of other planets they've taken a dump on. The only difference between humans and chimps is humans figured out ways to kill each other more efficiently.
 
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Baasha

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Abrahamic cults (judaism, christianity, and islam) have no spirituality; just barbaric theology that has wrought untold misery in the world.

Spirituality arises from spiritual practice - or sadhana - only present in Dharma (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism).

Untouchables should stick to worshiping a charlatan zombie bastard (jesus the mahafraud) and leave the spirituality to the adults (Hindus/Buddhists/Jains/Sikhs).
 

piasabird

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What is this thread about exactly. You mentioned spirituality and religion.

Religion could be lumped into some other terms like philosophy or belief system.

Spirituality could be described as enlightenment or the development of your upper reasoning abilities, or simply a feeling of personal well-being, or nirvana.

I would hope that a person's philosophy should be aimed at enlightenment, but often that is the ideal, but people get sidetracked with life, greed, and power and substance abuse.
 

flexy

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I've always wondered why people who don't believe in a religion could still be susceptible to belief in "spirituality". Wouldn't they doubt spirituality for the same reasons that they doubt religion? Sure, spirituality would lack most or all of the dogma associated with known religions, but it fails in exactly the same basic way. Once you get to the root of either one you find that you never had a single good reason to believe in them. Religious people will talk about their religious texts, about "feelings" they had while praying, and about coincidental occurrences they witnessed as proof of their beliefs. Spiritual people will talk about "life energy", "auras", erroneous conceptions of the conservation of energy, or other pseudoscientific nonsense to prove their beliefs. Not a single bit of it is convincing to someone who thinks critically.

FUNDAMENTAL difference, don't even throw both things into one pot

Religion is something you are taught, by a priest or by your parents. Or you are just "belonging" to a religion because you're born in a certain location or because your parents belong to specific religion.

The fundamental difference is that religion does OFTEN not incorporate the element of *experience*, in fact, "experiencing" is actually actively rejected or seen as something counter-productive, "blasphemous".

(Here the example of the religious lady who had a NDE and mentioned this to some nuns. The nuns told her to shut up since what she is talking about is "against god" or worse, must come from "the devil" etc..etc...)

You give the example "of "life energy" or "auras" but I don't think this qualifies as "spiritual", this is just new-age quack. ALSO something you get taught and at some point you decide "to believe in it" or not.

Spirituality is, if you will, that you make-up your mind about, say, god, the afterlife etc.. WITHOUT a bias of "belonging" or without reading from a book of rules and without echoing WHAT A PRIEST TOLD YOU.

Example: I think most religious organizations and churches are absurd. So I reject them.

However, I have my own view about, say, the soul, the "after life", our purpose. So I could say I am "spiritual" since I am not rejecting those ideas. I am building my own theory, based on reading, people's experiences.

I am believing for example (Yes, I am BELIEVING) there is a duality of mind and physical body. Our "self" is not a mechanical result of our brain, there is possibly more to it.

Religions, IN SOME PARTS, in my opinion, get actually some things right but then get a lot more things wrong or turn them even around.

(Example here is how in pretty much all major religions there is the element of the "after life" and in most religions there is some element of an entity/deity with, IMHO, not so relevant differences).

While I said that I *believe* in my own theory I didn't pull out this belief out-of-thin air. It's not a dogma. I formed the belief based on "rational" thinking of what theory "would make the most sense"...how does it fit in which what people experience? (NDEs, Reincarnation stories, our understanding of how the brain/universe works etc..)

And I am also free to change my belief of course.

Eg. If 100s of people report they had NDE experiences it justifies to look into this closer. Current scientific "debunking" attempts of NDEs, also about dreams etc. doing them off as "misfiring neurons" etc. did NOT convince me whatsoever.

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If I were to summarize my (current) spiritual belief: I think that our self is actually multi-"dimensional".

Our physical existence is only ONE possibly existence of many, our physical body (obviously) is the medium which allows us to experience this one "physical world". (For what purpose would be another discussion )

There are more "realities" where the physical one is only one aspect. Those realities CAN be experienced under certain circumstances (trance, drugs, "religious" experiences, meditation, dreams etc.). I could also further speculate that other life-forms, such as hypothetical extraterrestrials who advanced millions of years *beyond* us have mastered to actually leave the limits of "physicality" at some point and are now existing in such realities which we (normally) cannot access. (This is actually cool since it means they are not reliant on the laws of physics, concepts like distances, speed, time etc. only exist here)

I think there IS evidence that there are more "realities" and aspects of ourselves than this physical one.
 
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piasabird

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I dont think a blanket statement that there is no spirituality in christian religions is anything other than some kind of prejudice.
 
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Religion is a formal construct and spirituality is an informal construct. The $64 question is why these constructs are so prevalent for the vast majority of human beings on this planet. Food for thought.
 

JassiRnb

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This is very interesting topic and you can always talk.
Religion is an institution established by man for various reasons. Spirituality is born in a person and develops in the person.
 
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