Spoiled rich white kid kills 4 drunk driving gets no jail time

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HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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Happens all the time, but there is only so much time in the day to report such matters. Black guy killed by the police is practically media gold these days. You don't see it, because they don't report it.

I heard of a recent study that showed cops were less likely to pull the trigger on a black person, from fear of being labeled a racist, and fired.

This is all circumstantial regardless.

A little more then circumstantial. I can't find a more mainstream source but here is a blurb about the simulator study...
In 2002, she and four colleagues published a report on their research in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. A year later, University of Washington psychologist Anthony Greenwald did his own study, putting college students in the role of plainclothes police officers in a computer simulation where potential targets of different races appeared from behind dumpsters as fellow officers, citizens or gun-wielding criminals. Players had greater difficulty distinguishing weapons from harmless objects when they were in the hands of blacks rather than whites, resulting in more wrongful shootings of black targets.

In 2002, Tracie Keesee spotted a small article in the Rocky Mountain News about a CU study demonstrating that participants playing a virtual-simulation scenario were quicker to fire at black male figures than at whites.

http://www.westword.com/news/target-practice-racism-and-police-shootings-are-no-game-5098269
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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Agreed, but we can always justify doing nothing by pointing out that someone with money can get around it. At least mandatory minimums require two parties to get around, and usually at least one of those two parties is subject to voters.

I think that voters would be more pissed if a person is actually charged with the correct crime and given a lenient sentence then if the high priced lawyers get the charges reduced. In the latter the judge can easily claim that they followed the sentencing guidelines but in the former they have to explain why they let someone walk on a much more serious crime. You still haven't addressed the fact that they are much more likely to be used against poor people who don't deserve the lengthy minimum sentence.

Our system of justice is supposed to be based on "It's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to incarcerate one innocent man". I believe the same applies to the punishment of crimes. I'd rather see a few people who deserve worse sentences let off lightly than hundreds of people who don't deserve extremely long sentences forced to suffer them.

Only thing wrong with burritos every day would be the lack of pizza.

After a couple of months of burritos every day, it would be a violation of WMD treaties to deport me.

LMAO! Ain't that the truth.
 

werepossum

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I think that voters would be more pissed if a person is actually charged with the correct crime and given a lenient sentence then if the high priced lawyers get the charges reduced. In the latter the judge can easily claim that they followed the sentencing guidelines but in the former they have to explain why they let someone walk on a much more serious crime. You still haven't addressed the fact that they are much more likely to be used against poor people who don't deserve the lengthy minimum sentence.

Our system of justice is supposed to be based on "It's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to incarcerate one innocent man". I believe the same applies to the punishment of crimes. I'd rather see a few people who deserve worse sentences let off lightly than hundreds of people who don't deserve extremely long sentences forced to suffer them.

LMAO! Ain't that the truth.
But the public usually doesn't see what the more serious charge would be, whereas we do see the actual charge. And in any case, those with the means for high-priced legal talent are going to get it both ways, getting charged with lesser crimes and getting sentences less harshly. Why give them two chances to get off lightly? At least with mandatory minimums an honest prosecutor can overcome a dishonest or bleeding heart judge, whereas people can always lobby prosecutors for lesser charges or cop a plea in return for a lesser charge.
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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But the public usually doesn't see what the more serious charge would be, whereas we do see the actual charge. And in any case, those with the means for high-priced legal talent are going to get it both ways, getting charged with lesser crimes and getting sentences less harshly. Why give them two chances to get off lightly? At least with mandatory minimums an honest prosecutor can overcome a dishonest or bleeding heart judge, whereas people can always lobby prosecutors for lesser charges or cop a plea in return for a lesser charge.

Because one is generally all they need and a ton of normal people get unfairly caught up in it and are sentenced much much longer than they reasonable deserve? In theory if the system was fair across the board you'd have a point but our "JustUs" system is not.

We have the most people incarcerated in the entire world both in sheer numbers and per capita and roughly 1 in 36 people are either incarcerated or on actively monitored parole or probation. Mandatory minimums play a very large part of the reason. I personally think that we should do everything in our power to reverse that trend versus keeping the status quo and hoping like hell it fixes itself.
 

JSt0rm

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Sep 5, 2000
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I'm sure he is sorry he killed 4 people. Thats a pretty big burden to carry. Doesn't mean he shouldn't face the consequences of his reckless behavior.
 

Hugo Drax

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Texas is a weird state, good old boys rein in those towns. His family is connected to that network, I bet no one will get in trouble. He will probably serve 40 hours community service and be back home.
 

DrDoug

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https://video.foxnews.com/v/4728502154001/defense-attorney-affluenza-teen-is-sorry/?#sp=show-clips

OH now he is sorry. he should have been sorry after he got off with a slap on the wrist. before he ran off. still though is sounds like he going to get off with it.

No, his attorney says that he says that he is sorry... IOW, the only thing he is sorry about is the fact that his sorry ass is in some trouble that Mommy and Daddy can't save him from. Hell, the story is that one night in Mexico he blew through two grand on strippers and booze, getting so shitfaced that employees had to drag him back to his hotel and get Mommy to pay his tab. It's clear that Mommy is more than happy to let her son break his probation terms so let Affluenza Boy sit in jail, even if it's only for a little time. It will still feel like an eternity to that sorry-assed little spoiled shit. Give him a taste of what his life is going to be like as an adult with Mommy and Daddy unable to buy his way out of all his criminal problems.

Just the financial ones...lol!
 

Exophase

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It blows my mind that the mother is looking at 10 years for being accomplice to a crime that could earn the now adult kid a mere 4 months. It's like the justice system is absolutely determined not to really punish him.

It's not even just punitive, at this point sending him to prison is the best possible thing for him. If he isn't forced into submission in the strictest way possible he's going to completely self-destruct and take out who knows how many people with him. This kid has probably already been an alcoholic for several years, he needs serious intervention.
 

sdifox

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Sep 30, 2005
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Ahahhaha he is going to adult court.

http://m.torontosun.com/2016/02/19/judge-moves-affluenza-teens-case-to-adult-court
 
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Sonikku

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Jun 23, 2005
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Sounds like a windfall. The article said if he had stayed in Juvy he could have been looking at a maximum of 10 years in prison after his birthday. By raising it to adult court, for whatever the reason, it looks like the most he could expect is a few months in county.
 

Strk

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Nov 23, 2003
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By having the case transferred to the adult system, Couch will not face the possibility of decades in prison unless he violates probation in the future. He may, however, face up to several months in the county jail.

Really? That's ridiculous.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Sounds like a windfall. The article said if he had stayed in Juvy he could have been looking at a maximum of 10 years in prison after his birthday. By raising it to adult court, for whatever the reason, it looks like the most he could expect is a few months in county.

How the fuck does that make sense?
 
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How the fuck does that make sense?

Its been talked about its essentially the way TX courts work. The Juvenile court would have freed him on his 18th birthday too. Moving him to adult court keeps all the previous crap in tact. I'd bet the local cops & sheriff will be all over this guy for any infringement.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Its been talked about its essentially the way TX courts work. The Juvenile court would have freed him on his 18th birthday too. Moving him to adult court keeps all the previous crap in tact. I'd bet the local cops & sheriff will be all over this guy for any infringement.

/this

the big thing is it stays. at 18 it would be sealed. now anything is going ot nail his ass
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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Arise chicken, arise!

News reports are that Texans paid most of the $200,000 cost of drug rehab for this poor little rich kid. Why? Because his parents couldn't afford it. Really... they say that's the reason.

What a waste of money.
 

Hugo Drax

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Nov 20, 2011
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Its been talked about its essentially the way TX courts work. The Juvenile court would have freed him on his 18th birthday too. Moving him to adult court keeps all the previous crap in tact. I'd bet the local cops & sheriff will be all over this guy for any infringement.

I doubt it. The whole thing smells of small town good old boy hook a brother up justice.
 

Zorkorist

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Apr 17, 2007
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Big dick, posts Huffington Post.

Exclaims, we need to fix the drunk driver problem,

Goes home, sobers up.

-John
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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/this

the big thing is it stays. at 18 it would be sealed. now anything is going ot nail his ass

Yes it will stay with him for life, but he's rich. He wont suffer like a normal person with a serious felony on their record. He'll still be able get homes and cars and probably some sort of income. Its not as big a punishment.
 
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