spoiler question about X3

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: Bootprint
Magneto has better benefits package, free dental and he'll play for daycare.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: jcwagers
I thought that the Golden Gate bridge scene was pretty cool tho. The special effects were good....it was the story that was lacking.....

Well it was the only reasonable way to get to an island 1 mile away since Juggernaut couldn't swim.

 

[Uclagamer_99]

its sorta interesting that people seem to complain about the movies not "properly reflecting" the comics. i only say this b/c Marvel has often times BLATANTLY created multiple timelines/realities for the universe to explore different "what if" scenarios. Age of Apocalypse and Ultimate Marvel Universe come to mind as well as the most recent House of M storyline.

its gotten pretty ridiculous over the years as several of the characters have the ability to time travel between these alternate realities...it all just becomes really convulted as you can see on the following wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Comics_Multiverse

in my opinion, the phoenix shouldnt have even been in this movie in anything more than a cameo. as many of you have said, she pretty much didnt affect the movie much outside of ??????? xavier and cyclops (although that in itself didnt really do anything except set up the stupid "surprise" ending")

 

[jjones]

The movie was a good popcorn flick, nothing more. The basis of the story was good but executed poorly by the writers and the director. No character development and it just portrayed a series of cool mutant tricks. No need for Rogue to even have been in the movie other than a background character; no need for the stupid Multiple Man scene (I mean come on, what motivation would he have for sacrificing himself). There was no development of Jean/Phoenix; no reason to kill Cyclops (I don't care that he's dead, it was just stupid they way they did it); no background on Leech and the cure; no development of Angel; weak development of Beast although they at least made the attempt.

I could go on and on - like I said, it was just a movie about cool mutant tricks. Entertaining but definately the weakest of the three movies.

 

[bobsmith1492]

What's the surprise ending?? I didn't see anything surprising; Jean dieing? Magneto getting "cured" - or the apparent wearing-off of the cure? Meh... did I miss something?

 

[Zysoclaplem]

There just is no way to encompass the amount of info it would take to make sense of that movie in just one film.
They had to change things and compress it, or just not make it. Movies may often be visually stunning, but they are very one dimensional and a poor substitute for books.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
What's the surprise ending?? I didn't see anything surprising; Jean dieing? Magneto getting "cured" - or the apparent wearing-off of the cure? Meh... did I miss something?

Xavier transferred his mind into the braindead man from the beginning of the film that was on the video when they were talking about morality. It was stupid.
You had to wait until after the credits.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
There just is no way to encompass the amount of info it would take to make sense of that movie in just one film.
They had to change things and compress it, or just not make it. Movies may often be visually stunning, but they are very one dimensional and a poor substitute for books.

I disagree. They had a good idea for the story and they could have pursued who ultimately controlled the cure. Instead of spending time on the whole Rogue/Iceman/Kitty crap they could have spent the time bringing Angel more into it, developed his relationship with his father and his conflicting emotions over getting cured. He would finally have to decide who to stand with.

They could have also spent a great deal more time with Jean/Phoenix and perhaps the end of the movie having her "cured" and rid of Phoenix (along with her other powers of course) instead of the lame death scene. With the "cure" in the movie, it just didn't make sense not to use it for Jean and instead have her killed yet again.

IMO, they got too caught up with presenting the different mutant powers. Instead of just giving brief glimpses of the powers of other mutants (like they did in the first two movies) and focusing on a few main characters, they spent the movie trying to set up scenes to show off the various mutants and their powers and wasted a potentially great storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but the writers and director did nothing more than make this into a popcorn flick, and they could have done much better with the material. In reality, from what I understand, it's probably more the producers' fault for pushing such a fast schedule.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
There just is no way to encompass the amount of info it would take to make sense of that movie in just one film.
They had to change things and compress it, or just not make it. Movies may often be visually stunning, but they are very one dimensional and a poor substitute for books.

I disagree. They had a good idea for the story and they could have pursued who ultimately controlled the cure. Instead of spending time on the whole Rogue/Iceman/Kitty crap they could have spent the time bringing Angel more into it, developed his relationship with his father and his conflicting emotions over getting cured. He would finally have to decide who to stand with.

They could have also spent a great deal more time with Jean/Phoenix and perhaps the end of the movie having her "cured" and rid of Phoenix (along with her other powers of course) instead of the lame death scene. With the "cure" in the movie, it just didn't make sense not to use it for Jean and instead have her killed yet again.

IMO, they got too caught up with presenting the different mutant powers. Instead of just giving brief glimpses of the powers of other mutants (like they did in the first two movies) and focusing on a few main characters, they spent the movie trying to set up scenes to show off the various mutants and their powers and wasted a potentially great storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but the writers and director did nothing more than make this into a popcorn flick, and they could have done much better with the material. In reality, from what I understand, it's probably more the producers' fault for pushing such a fast schedule.

What I meant was there was no way to make sense of "that" film.
Yes, if the film was completely re-written and you dropped out useless characters, it could have been more coherant.
Hell, I would have sat through a 3 hour X3 movie if I knew they were going to do it right.
There was just so much wrong with it that it conflicted with everything I know about xmen, and made the experience that much worse.

But I did enjoy the movie. It was just wrong. All of it.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: ghostman
Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

Let me say that the special effects were incredible, and I have been very impressed with the way they've handled certain characters throughout the trilogy. Wolverine, Beast, Magneto, and Nightcrawler, for example, are as close to the comic book as you'll ever get from a movie.

However, here's what I don't understand: when you are basing a screenplay on a classic and celebrated story like the Dark Phoenix saga, why can't you just keep it simple and use the fvcking story that's already written? Why do you always have to Hollywoodize it? Why did Cyclops' part in the original epic have to be rewritten for Wolverine just to spotlight Hugh Jackman? I'm not a Jackman groupie, I'm an X-Man fan, so if he's in the movie, fine, but I didn't go to see him.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
There just is no way to encompass the amount of info it would take to make sense of that movie in just one film.
They had to change things and compress it, or just not make it. Movies may often be visually stunning, but they are very one dimensional and a poor substitute for books.

I disagree. They had a good idea for the story and they could have pursued who ultimately controlled the cure. Instead of spending time on the whole Rogue/Iceman/Kitty crap they could have spent the time bringing Angel more into it, developed his relationship with his father and his conflicting emotions over getting cured. He would finally have to decide who to stand with.

They could have also spent a great deal more time with Jean/Phoenix and perhaps the end of the movie having her "cured" and rid of Phoenix (along with her other powers of course) instead of the lame death scene. With the "cure" in the movie, it just didn't make sense not to use it for Jean and instead have her killed yet again.

IMO, they got too caught up with presenting the different mutant powers. Instead of just giving brief glimpses of the powers of other mutants (like they did in the first two movies) and focusing on a few main characters, they spent the movie trying to set up scenes to show off the various mutants and their powers and wasted a potentially great storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie for what it was, but the writers and director did nothing more than make this into a popcorn flick, and they could have done much better with the material. In reality, from what I understand, it's probably more the producers' fault for pushing such a fast schedule.

What I meant was there was no way to make sense of "that" film.
Yes, if the film was completely re-written and you dropped out useless characters, it could have been more coherant.
Hell, I would have sat through a 3 hour X3 movie if I knew they were going to do it right.
There was just so much wrong with it that it conflicted with everything I know about xmen, and made the experience that much worse.

But I did enjoy the movie. It was just wrong. All of it.

lol, I guess I have the benefit of not actually knowing much of the X-men story. I mean, it was one of my favorite comics as a kid, but I haven't read a comic in about 30 years, so the last time I would have read an X-men comic would have been in the early 70's. That's why I'm not so hung up on being faithful to comic book story lines, just be faithful to the characters (I can at least remember the characters ) and make a good story, not some Follywood crap. I thought they had a decent story concept, they just didn't use it the right way.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Magneto didn't get his powers back in X3. They cut the scene before it showed how he moved the pieces

 

[reverend boltron]

I have a question. I don't really follow the comic books at all. In fact, I never have, though I did manage to get a copy of The Wolverine Saga when I was in second grade (I'm 23 now), but that's the extent of my comic knowledge. But anyway, my question was, how come Wolverine didn't just stick Jean with the cure? I mean, he didn't really have to kill her, did he? He could have just shoved some of the needles in her and been good to go. Then he wouldn't have had to carry around the guilt with him for the rest of his life. Also, will he live forever because he heals so quickly, or will he die eventually? Thanks!

 

[jimbob200521]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Magneto didn't get his powers back in X3. They cut the scene before it showed how he moved the pieces

No they didn't. When I went and saw it Saturday, they showed him moving the pieces at the end

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: jimbob200521

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Magneto didn't get his powers back in X3. They cut the scene before it showed how he moved the pieces

No they didn't. When I went and saw it Saturday, they showed him moving the pieces at the end

Yeah, he wasn't moving them around or anything, but the piece was wobbling.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: jcwagers
I thought that the Golden Gate bridge scene was pretty cool tho. The special effects were good....it was the story that was lacking.....

I thought that scene was stupid. He moved a monstrous piece of material when he could have built a platform out of thin metal to move them

he picked up that HUGE HONKING piece of bridge, and didnt bother dropping it on alcatraz obliterating all of their resistance?

And then the ignorant fvcker suddenly didnt bother to detect if their weapons are metal, didnt use the phoenix or the sonic wave shemale and instead sent his brother mutants to their transformation and thought it was funny. That is not the magneto we saw in the first two movies. He wouldnt have sacrificed his brothers to no end.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: reverend boltron
I have a question. I don't really follow the comic books at all. In fact, I never have, though I did manage to get a copy of The Wolverine Saga when I was in second grade (I'm 23 now), but that's the extent of my comic knowledge. But anyway, my question was, how come Wolverine didn't just stick Jean with the cure? I mean, he didn't really have to kill her, did he? He could have just shoved some of the needles in her and been good to go. Then he wouldn't have had to carry around the guilt with him for the rest of his life. Also, will he live forever because he heals so quickly, or will he die eventually? Thanks!

That's not very dramatic, is it?

 

[FreshPrince]

ok, just saw it...it was an ok movie...I definately did not like the ending.

the scene after the credits was cool, and I hope they make another x-men movie

I didn't know wolvie can heal that fast...LOL.

I hate that they didn't use rogue and scott at all this movie.

What's with jean killing professor x? I don't remember that from the comics.

xmen 2>3>1

 

[bobsmith1492]

Originally posted by: reverend boltron
I have a question. I don't really follow the comic books at all. In fact, I never have, though I did manage to get a copy of The Wolverine Saga when I was in second grade (I'm 23 now), but that's the extent of my comic knowledge. But anyway, my question was, how come Wolverine didn't just stick Jean with the cure? I mean, he didn't really have to kill her, did he? He could have just shoved some of the needles in her and been good to go. Then he wouldn't have had to carry around the guilt with him for the rest of his life. Also, will he live forever because he heals so quickly, or will he die eventually? Thanks!

I don't see how he could ever have brought the needles to her; she was practially destroying HIM anyway; his clothes disintegrated... I think the cure potions would have also, potentially "curing" Wolverine and causing his death in the process.

 

[mercanucaribe]

I thought this thread was going to be about the BMW X3..