spoiler question about X3

[FreshPrince]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I don't mind the spoilers. So, someone explain why did Jean Grey join Magneto?

thx

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[z0mb13]

because magneto wants to unleash her full power?

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
because magneto wants to unleash her full power?

that explains why Magneto wants her to join, not why she joined..

 

[Zolty]

because you touch yourself at night and she can read your thoughts.

 

[ChineseGuy]

Jean Gray is no longer Jean Gray, she has become phoenix.

 

[SaturnX]

Because the person you see there is Phoenix, who is a raging power hungry state of mind within Jean Grey.

 

[Slicedbread]

He convinced her that Charles was trying to control her and hold her back. As for why she decided to stick with him instead of killing him and doing whatever she wanted is anyone's guess, probably just poor planning and a crammed plot. She never really did anything to help Magneto, when she used her powers at the end she was destroying everything for no reason.

 

[neegotiator]

she developed the hots for the master of magnetism

 

[Bootprint]

Magneto has better benefits package, free dental and he'll play for daycare.

 

[Synomenon]

Another spoiler question. Who was that woman dressed in the nurse uniform at the end when we find out that Xavier is still alive?

 

[hypn0tik]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Another spoiler question. Who was that woman dressed in the nurse uniform at the end when we find out that Xavier is still alive?

Remember when Xavier was teaching those kids the ethics class? Same woman.

 

[Duddy]

Xavier is still alive?! I watched the whole thing and don't remeber anything about him being alive. What happened?

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Another spoiler question. Who was that woman dressed in the nurse uniform at the end when we find out that Xavier is still alive?

Dr. Moira Mactaggert. an old flame of prof. X.

 

[neegotiator]

Originally posted by: Duddy
Xavier is still alive?! I watched the whole thing and don't remeber anything about him being alive. What happened?

short clip after the credits, xavier transferred his mind to that body in the case study he was talking about

 

[Synomenon]

Originally posted by: neegotiator

Originally posted by: Duddy
Xavier is still alive?! I watched the whole thing and don't remeber anything about him being alive. What happened?

short clip after the credits, xavier transferred his mind to that body in the case study he was talking about

Ah that makes sense.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Because the screenplay was ridiculous. They babble on and on about how her power is limitless, and then she spends the entire movie standing there doing nothing. The deaths of Professor X and Cyclops were also dumb as sh*t, and the entire movie was slow and boring until the very end.

 

[Synomenon]

Yeah, I guess not everyone will like it.

 

[ghostman]

Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

 

[jcwagers]

I thought that the Golden Gate bridge scene was pretty cool tho. The special effects were good....it was the story that was lacking.....

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: ghostman
Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

so she did become the most powerful mutant?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: neegotiator
she developed the hots for the master of magnetism

I dunno, I had the impression she wanted some Wolvie action...what with the mental belt removal...and she could be as rough as she wanted - he could take it

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: ghostman
Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

Pheonix was planned for quite a while, you know for sure it's going to happen since X2 (you see the phoenix symbol in the water at the end) and they even hint at Jean's massive potential in the first movie. I?ll explain later why her lack of use isn?t such a bad thing.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Wolverine has pretty much always been in love with Jean since I've been following the X-Men, killing of Cyclops is fine (he's a tool in the movies), especially when he ran off to do the Superman movie (and he isn't even Superman). And it obviously isn't Jean who chose Wolverine, it was Phoenix - Jean's "dark side" who is more compatible with Wolverine for fairly obvious reasons (his charm reall comes out in this movie, really taking off from X2)

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Yeah, so many mutants, so little time - you're basically giving most of them cameo roles with such little time. However Magneto gets his powers back at the end - its pretty obvious to infer the other "cured" mutants will get their powers back in time as well...including Mystique and Rogue.

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

I'll agree that it sucks they don't show her kicking more ass like the character has done in past media - however the movies don't kid around with the powers, Phoenix?s powers really did make her a god even among other extremely powerful mutants - she'd be bowling over everyone worse than Superman with such limitless power. If you actually watched the movie and actually thought about it, she'd have been boring to watch owning everything without a fight (yes, Wolverine owns a lot of people during his fights, but you actually see him fight, in other words he has to actually put forth effort to succeed, and thus it is entertaining)

And the only reason Wolverine was able to beat her was because Jean still had some control over Phoenix (or at least the Phoenix wasn?t completely heartless) and the love for Wolverine allowed for Jean/Phoenix to let Wolverine end it all. Yes, his abilities and skeleton allowed him to survive the chaos, however you could tell she wasn?t actively trying to kill him or defend herself from his possible attack and was clearly her decisions to let him do it in the end.


The only thing I really found disappointing about the movie was the lack of running time ? which would have cured a lot of ails such as poor character development with those such as Angel and Beast ? however the movie was pretty much on target the entire way through, and the cliff hangers are right up their with the best of them (LOST for example), I?m definitely pumped for the Wolverine and Magneto movies (and I?m also hoping that we?ll get other X-Men related movies if this really is the last X-Men movie)

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: ghostman
Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

Pheonix was planned for quite a while, you know for sure it's going to happen since X2 (you see the phoenix symbol in the water at the end) and they even hint at Jean's massive potential in the first movie. I?ll explain later why her lack of use isn?t such a bad thing.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Wolverine has pretty much always been in love with Jean since I've been following the X-Men, killing of Cyclops is fine (he's a tool in the movies), especially when he ran off to do the Superman movie (and he isn't even Superman). And it obviously isn't Jean who chose Wolverine, it was Phoenix - Jean's "dark side" who is more compatible with Wolverine for fairly obvious reasons (his charm reall comes out in this movie, really taking off from X2)

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Yeah, so many mutants, so little time - you're basically giving most of them cameo roles with such little time. However Magneto gets his powers back at the end - its pretty obvious to infer the other "cured" mutants will get their powers back in time as well...including Mystique and Rogue.

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

I'll agree that it sucks they don't show her kicking more ass like the character has done in past media - however the movies don't kid around with the powers, Phoenix?s powers really did make her a god even among other extremely powerful mutants - she'd be bowling over everyone worse than Superman with such limitless power. If you actually watched the movie and actually thought about it, she'd have been boring to watch owning everything without a fight (yes, Wolverine owns a lot of people during his fights, but you actually see him fight, in other words he has to actually put forth effort to succeed, and thus it is entertaining)

And the only reason Wolverine was able to beat her was because Jean still had some control over Phoenix (or at least the Phoenix wasn?t completely heartless) and the love for Wolverine allowed for Jean/Phoenix to let Wolverine end it all. Yes, his abilities and skeleton allowed him to survive the chaos, however you could tell she wasn?t actively trying to kill him or defend herself from his possible attack and was clearly her decisions to let him do it in the end.


The only thing I really found disappointing about the movie was the lack of running time ? which would have cured a lot of ails such as poor character development with those such as Angel and Beast ? however the movie was pretty much on target the entire way through, and the cliff hangers are right up their with the best of them (LOST for example), I?m definitely pumped for the Wolverine and Magneto movies (and I?m also hoping that we?ll get other X-Men related movies if this really is the last X-Men movie)

I agree, they really should've made a longer movie...it could've given them time to develop a deeper plot and possibly bring in Gambit!

 

[MazerRackham]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: ghostman
Yeah, I was disappointed with it as well.

Those who know the comics and/or the cartoon will be disappointed at how poorly utilized Jean Grey is in this movie. She's the freakin' Phoenix and they don't do anything with her throughout the movie. Those who don't have any X-men background will see the whole Phoenix bit as a way cheesey way to bring back the babe from the first two movies - they basically explain everything in a two-liner.

Pheonix was planned for quite a while, you know for sure it's going to happen since X2 (you see the phoenix symbol in the water at the end) and they even hint at Jean's massive potential in the first movie. I?ll explain later why her lack of use isn?t such a bad thing.

They build up the love triangle thing for Cyclops, Jean and Wolverine, then kills Cyclops in the beginning of the movie as if he were a stand-in. Then the "romance" develops between Jean and Wolverine. Kinda makes the whole "she chose you" line (Wolverine to Cyclops, regarding Jean) in the second movie worthless.

Wolverine has pretty much always been in love with Jean since I've been following the X-Men, killing of Cyclops is fine (he's a tool in the movies), especially when he ran off to do the Superman movie (and he isn't even Superman). And it obviously isn't Jean who chose Wolverine, it was Phoenix - Jean's "dark side" who is more compatible with Wolverine for fairly obvious reasons (his charm reall comes out in this movie, really taking off from X2)

Not to mention the declawing of Mystique, one of the cooler characters in the first two movies. And the poor and inconsequential use of the Pyro sub-plot from the second movie. And what was the point of the Angel (Archangel?) and Beast in the movie at all?

Yeah, so many mutants, so little time - you're basically giving most of them cameo roles with such little time. However Magneto gets his powers back at the end - its pretty obvious to infer the other "cured" mutants will get their powers back in time as well...including Mystique and Rogue.

Whoops! Sorry for using the thread to gripe about the film. Yes, Phoenix joins Magneto because he convinced her that Xavier is holding her back. She, in turn, does nothing throughout the rest of the movie until she disintegrates everything at the end.

I'll agree that it sucks they don't show her kicking more ass like the character has done in past media - however the movies don't kid around with the powers, Phoenix?s powers really did make her a god even among other extremely powerful mutants - she'd be bowling over everyone worse than Superman with such limitless power. If you actually watched the movie and actually thought about it, she'd have been boring to watch owning everything without a fight (yes, Wolverine owns a lot of people during his fights, but you actually see him fight, in other words he has to actually put forth effort to succeed, and thus it is entertaining)

And the only reason Wolverine was able to beat her was because Jean still had some control over Phoenix (or at least the Phoenix wasn?t completely heartless) and the love for Wolverine allowed for Jean/Phoenix to let Wolverine end it all. Yes, his abilities and skeleton allowed him to survive the chaos, however you could tell she wasn?t actively trying to kill him or defend herself from his possible attack and was clearly her decisions to let him do it in the end.


The only thing I really found disappointing about the movie was the lack of running time ? which would have cured a lot of ails such as poor character development with those such as Angel and Beast ? however the movie was pretty much on target the entire way through, and the cliff hangers are right up their with the best of them (LOST for example), I?m definitely pumped for the Wolverine and Magneto movies (and I?m also hoping that we?ll get other X-Men related movies if this really is the last X-Men movie)

I agree, they really should've made a longer movie...it could've given them time to develop a deeper plot and possibly bring in Gambit!

Heck yes!! I agree completely, it should have been longer.

What's this about Wolverine and Magneto movies?? Is that for real or just speculation?

I thought X3 was pretty good overall, but of course could have used a bit more time to flesh things out...

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: MazerRackham

Heck yes!! I agree completely, it should have been longer.

What's this about Wolverine and Magneto movies?? Is that for real or just speculation?

I thought X3 was pretty good overall, but of course could have used a bit more time to flesh things out...

Looks legit, although Ian McKellen as a 'young magneto' makes no sense at all and the projected timeframe is awfully tight for something that has only a script and a lead actor.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/