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Brown Noser

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Hyundai pushing away Toyota. Hahahahaha. They could learn a thing or two on long term quality.

I don't get why you keep coming back to the initial quality argument. Just because it's good the first 90 days and crap afterwards doesn't help in getting your point across. It just shows how shoddily their cars are built.

The 2006 Sonata will be a worthy opponent? I should hope so, since it combines the Accord in the rear and the Altima in the front. Maybe they should copy some quality over along with the styling that they're stealing.
 

vi edit

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Tough to get a real good feel for it from the tight angle shots, but it looks like they are getting away from the jellybean look of the old one. Assuming they continue to offer excellent options for the money while combining quality interior parts, it should be a great hit.

Are they using the same 3.5L that isn't the current Santa Fe & new Sonata in this?
 

Otaking

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Originally posted by: CraigRT
looks pretty good
liking Hyundai lately

Yeah, same here. omg, I might actually look at Hyundais for my next car, although that won't happen for another 5 years. I guess we'll see what happens then, whethever NFS4 or Brown Noser is right.
 

Demo24

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Alright the front looks like a new Passat on steroids, and the back like a Chevy aero/mazda 3.


In other words I find it boring. not to mention Ill never buy a Hyundai or Kia.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: Brown Noser
Hyundai pushing away Toyota. Hahahahaha. They could learn a thing or two on long term quality.

I don't get why you keep coming back to the initial quality argument. Just because it's good the first 90 days and crap afterwards doesn't help in getting your point across. It just shows how shoddily their cars are built.

The 2006 Sonata will be a worthy opponent? I should hope so, since it combines the Accord in the rear and the Altima in the front. Maybe they should copy some quality over along with the styling that they're stealing.


NFS4 is a Toyota fanboy. The fact that he's quoting articles in Hyundai's defense speaks volumes. lol.

Anyway, you sound like the typical badge snob so heh...
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: Brown Noser
Hyundai pushing away Toyota. Hahahahaha. They could learn a thing or two on long term quality.

I don't get why you keep coming back to the initial quality argument. Just because it's good the first 90 days and crap afterwards doesn't help in getting your point across. It just shows how shoddily their cars are built.

The 2006 Sonata will be a worthy opponent? I should hope so, since it combines the Accord in the rear and the Altima in the front. Maybe they should copy some quality over along with the styling that they're stealing.

So by your own link...

Hyundai is better than

Volvo
Subaru
Jaguar
Nissan
Mercedes-Benz
Saab
Audi

I'd say that's pretty good company. Why by a Benz or Jag when you can get a Hyundai?

Awesome.

 

vi edit

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So by your own link...

Hyundai is better than

Volvo
Subaru
Jaguar
Nissan
Mercedes-Benz
Saab
Audi

I'd say that's pretty good company. Why by a Benz or Jag when you can get a Hyundai?

Awesome.

That depends on if you define a difference between quality and reliability.

Quality is a combination of driving feel, execution of interior, refinement of materials, and overall enjoyment of driving.

Reliability is simply not having something break or malfunction. You can have a world class supercar cripled by poor reliability. Read this thread for and example:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1630121&enterthread=y

Audi, Saab, Jaguar, and MB are all companies that are known for putting out vehicles with quality that is above that of a typical Honda or Toyota. That's why they are luxury cars.

But what they often lack is the reliability of a typical Honda or Toyota.

Compare apples to apples. Reliability isn't the only factor in making a car "better" than another if they are in completely different classes of "quality".

You can have a civic that never required anything more than oil changes and tire rotations, but that doesn't mean it is anywhere as *nice* as something like an Audi or a Benz.
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
So by your own link...

Hyundai is better than

Volvo
Subaru
Jaguar
Nissan
Mercedes-Benz
Saab
Audi

I'd say that's pretty good company. Why by a Benz or Jag when you can get a Hyundai?

Awesome.

That depends on if you define a difference between quality and reliability.

Quality is a combination of driving feel, execution of interior, refinement of materials, and overall enjoyment of driving.

Reliability is simply not having something break or malfunction. You can have a world class supercar cripled by poor reliability. Read this thread for and example:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1630121&enterthread=y

Audi, Saab, Jaguar, and MB are all companies that are known for putting out vehicles with quality that is above that of a typical Honda or Toyota. That's why they are luxury cars.

But what they often lack is the reliability of a typical Honda or Toyota.

Compare apples to apples. Reliability isn't the only factor in making a car "better" than another if they are in completely different classes of "quality".

You can have a civic that never required anything more than oil changes and tire rotations, but that doesn't mean it is anywhere as *nice* as something like an Audi or a Benz.

Sigh. Ok you took that way too seriously. I was playing off this trolls logic and the link he provided.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Brown Noser
Hyundai pushing away Toyota. Hahahahaha. They could learn a thing or two on long term quality.

I don't get why you keep coming back to the initial quality argument. Just because it's good the first 90 days and crap afterwards doesn't help in getting your point across. It just shows how shoddily their cars are built.

The 2006 Sonata will be a worthy opponent? I should hope so, since it combines the Accord in the rear and the Altima in the front. Maybe they should copy some quality over along with the styling that they're stealing.

So by your own link...

Hyundai is better than

Volvo
Subaru
Jaguar
Nissan
Mercedes-Benz
Saab
Audi

I'd say that's pretty good company. Why by a Benz or Jag when you can get a Hyundai?

Awesome.

I wouldn't buy a Benz or a Jag...I also wouldn't compare them either quite frankly and I'm certain that 0.0% of Jag and Benz shoppers would even consider a Hyundai.

Oh, and nobody is better than Subaru! Blasphemy!!! :|
 

vi edit

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Sigh. Ok you took that way too seriously. I was playing off this trolls logic and the link he provided.

Sorry. I've seen too many posts with logic similar to yours to consider it sarcasm.

 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Sigh. Ok you took that way too seriously. I was playing off this trolls logic and the link he provided.

Sorry. I've seen too many posts with logic similar to yours to consider it sarcasm.


Next time I'm prepared to throw a smiley at the end of my sentence
 

I Saw OJ

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The front looks like a cross with the new BMW's and a Chrysler 300m.

The back looks like a mazda3 or something similar.

Why the crap do we even care about this thing, how many of us are soccer moms trying to be in with the cool crowd by, buying an SUV?


seth
 

Brown Noser

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A troll? I'm here arguing with facts, not going around saying "HYUNDAI SUCKS! DOWN WITH HYUNDAI! BURN IN HELL HYUNDAI!"

I like how you interpreted my link. If cars were the way you interpreted, my Lexus would be the best car in the world. Obviously, that's not the case. It's reliable as hell, quiet, and about a million other things Hyundai doesn't have but it's in no way the best car/car manufacturer.

And to think Hyundai is better than MB, Audi, Jaguar, and Volvo. If you think a company that overrates their engine output and puts a FF setup on a "sports car" a better company, then so be it.

And yah, you know Hyundai just beats MB, Volvo, and Audi in ride, luxury, and safety.

Troll... :rollseyes:
 

TomKazansky

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Brown Noser
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Brown Noser
I guess VW and Hyundai are sharing their rear lights now eh?

Hyundai will not be up there with Toyota and Honda in 5 years. I don't think they will ever come close. Their vehicles are still way too unreliable and the designs are horrendous at best.

Hyundai is already at Toyota/Hyundai level and is already matching or surpassing them in initial quality and long-term reliability, not to mention build quality. Just take a look at the new 2006 Sonata

http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/alb...hows/NAIAS/2005/Hyundai/Sonata/001.jpg

That being said, stop talking out of your ass

Ahahahahahahahaha. "Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong."

Sorry, you're wrong. I don't get why everyone brings out the "they're first in initial quality" argument. Initial quality means the first 90 days of ownership. Things can go to crap afterwards but their "initial quality" can still be perfect. Doesn't mean their cars are the good since it's the long run that counts.

2005 JD Power Long-term reliability chart. Read it and weep.

Yah, sure looks like they have it down! They're behind Ford, Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Mazda. They're behind the industry average. They're no Kia, but they're no Honda, much less Toyota either.

And yah, it's the right thing to judge the build quality of a vehicle by it's looks huh? Ever seen a Mercedes? They look like tanks right? Well their build quality is shoddy at best.

So that being said, I ask you to stop talking out of your ass. Thanks.

First of all, styling is a personal preference. It has no bearing on quality. My only point with providing the picture of the Sonata was to show that the new models aren't some ugly trash found on the side of the road. It's a nice middle-of-the-road design that is appealing to the mainstream mid-sized car buyer.

Second of all, Kia is owned by Hyundai. Hyundai is doing their best to turn around Kia by consolidating platforms and powertrains between the two companies.

Thirdly, Hyundai has shot up from the bottom to the top in IQ testing. The rise came after strict QC measures were put into play. It has now risen to near the top in IQ in the past two years (2004 testing and 2005 testing). Do you REALLY think that Hyundai is sitting by saying "Oh, let's wow them with IQ, then time bomb our cars to blow up after 90 days." don't be ridiculous. The only way for Hyundai to improve their position in America and the world is with steady gains in quality and they are doing that. Also, as their quality has been rising, their average selling price per car has also been on the rise.

As to the comment about Mercedes, everyone knows that they aren't what they used to be (hell, not even to mid 90's levels). Mercedes execs have acknowledged as much and said that they will no longer focus on improving their quality position in quality surveys...idiots.

As for dependability, Hyundai has gone from 342 problems per 100 cars in 2003. That number dropped to 260 by 2005, a 31% improvement. Given Hyunda's strides in IQ and their large gains in long-term reliability, only an IDIOT would count them out in the years to come. That's how companies get blindsided - by turning their backs on a worthy opponent. Toyota isn't as STUPID as to make such assumptions...

Food for thought:

(1) Toyota asked for a joint technology exchange with Hyundai in a bid for Toyota to provide Synergy drives and technology to Hyundai. Hyundai said "fvck off" and we'll develop our own technology...their system will be out in late '07/early '08. Nissan on the other hand caved and will be using Toyota technology, as will Porsche

(2) Toyota again asked Hyundai for a plant tour exchange. Toyota has been impressed with Hyundai's quality gains (Toyota US president has acklowdged as much in recent interviews) and asked to visit Hyundai plants so that it could see how they conducted QC and how their plants operated and vice versa. Toyota saw this as an opportunity from them to learn from each other and gain knowledge on how to each improve their efficiency/quality. Again, Hyundai told them to "fvck off" and that they didn't need any help from Toyota. That looks to be true.

(3) One of the speculated reasons for Toyota pushing ahead the launch of the 2007 Camry is due to the new 2006 Sonata which is an impressive showing on all accounts. Toyota has been stealing marketshare from the Honda Accord for some time now and it has held the Mazda 6 and Nissan Altima at bay. However, it stands to lose the most from the reinvigorated Sonata.

As to the person that asked me if I own a Hyundai? No. I own a Toyota Camry and am a Toyota whore as most of you already know.

Industry watchers already have their eyes on Hyundai and their rise from crap to worthy competitor is happening at a much faster rate than Toyota or Honda in the 80's and 90's.

Hyundai Now a Contender

With Commitment to Quality, Automaker Sets Sights on Big Three, Toyota

By Greg Schneider
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 18, 2005; Page E01

DETROIT --
The car made a dramatic entrance, lowered by chains from the ceiling into a cloud of smoke and flashing lights. This was no curvaceous sports car debuting at the North American International Auto Show; it was an unadorned four-door sedan -- the 2006 Hyundai Sonata.

A few years ago, such hype for a Hyundai might have seemed funny, given the South Korean company's reputation for cheap, shabby products. But this week's bold unveiling of the Sonata was greeted soberly by rival U.S. automakers, who now compare South Korea to the up-and-coming Japan of the 1980s.

Hyundai Corp. is wooing and winning American consumers just when Detroit's Big Three thought they had enough of a fight on their hands trying to take back market share from the decades-long onslaught of Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. The rollout of the redesigned Sonata is a sign of how much more cutthroat the U.S. auto market could become in the next few years, with most experts convinced that China will soon follow with inexpensive products of its own.

"I think Detroit has the potential to be in serious trouble. They're just being bombarded," said Art Spinella, an auto industry expert with the consulting company CNW Marketing Research in Oregon.

Hyundai has reached this point gradually, increasing its sales for each of the past six years after stumbling badly in the 1980s with poor-quality products. Last year, the company overtook Honda and Nissan to become the world's seventh-biggest automaker. Also last year, U.S. consumers rated Hyundai and Honda as tied for second-best in overall quality in an influential J.D. Power and Associates survey -- ahead of Mercedes-Benz and behind only Toyota.

Beginning this fall, Hyundai will start producing Sonatas at its first American plant, recently completed in Montgomery, Ala. The new version of the car is bigger than either of the industry's current top mid-size sedans, the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord. It will have a suite of standard safety features unmatched by its competition, including six air bags and electronic stability control. And it is planned to have a base price below $20,000.

If Hyundai can pull off that combination, as well as keep its newly minted reputation for quality, it stands to cause serious problems not only for Detroit, but for Japanese companies as well. In fact, Hyundai Motor America chief Robert F. Cosmai repeatedly invoked Toyota and Honda while presenting the Sonata last week, never mentioning a domestic competitor.

"Hyundai is very clearly targeting Toyota -- I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind that Hyundai really does want to take a piece out of them," Spinella said. "And the attitude is, they'll walk over Nissan, Honda, GM and Ford in order to get there. Even if they never touch Toyota, in the meantime there'll be a whole lot of collateral damage."

Consumers will reap the rewards, because Hyundai will have to keep prices low to fuel its growth, and that will force the rest of industry to do the same, said Paul Eisenstein, publisher of TheCarConnection.com. But it's a tricky path for the Koreans to walk, he said, because car buyers won't accept any lapses in quality as Hyundai irons the inevitable bugs out of its brand-new Alabama factory.

"If they blow it with this [Sonata], if they stall in quality right now, it will hurt them in image immeasurably and will take them a long time to recover from. So they have to hit it right, right out of the gate," Eisenstein said.

Hyundai's advantage, at least at the outset, is a low cost structure. The new plant is heavily automated, and its 2,000 employees are not unionized. Detroit's manufacturers carry huge extra burdens of "legacy" costs -- health care and pensions for retirees that add more than $1,000, on average, to the cost of every vehicle -- that Asian competitors do not share.

U.S. automakers also happen to be embarking on the same mission as Hyundai, trying to make gains in the passenger car market after years of focusing on trucks and sport-utility vehicles. With loads of new products of their own, Detroit executives are wary of the redesigned Sonata.

"Sonata has always been a formidable competitor," General Motors Corp. Vice Chairman Robert Lutz said in an interview. "We take Hyundai seriously."

Lutz pointed out that GM has a Korean strategy of its own, teaming with partner Daewoo to produce the low-cost compact car Aveo. If Hyundai takes price competition to an extreme, he said, GM could always mine that relationship for more products.

At Ford Motor Co., design chief J Mays was more dismissive of Hyundai. "I suppose if price is the only consideration, they might have a good car on their hands," he said. "We think a lot more enters into [purchase decisions] than price."

But consultant Spinella, who routinely surveys current and prospective car buyers, said the public already views Hyundai and its sister brand, Kia, as more than just a low-cost option.

People are drawn to the brand as a high-value alternative to more mainstream products, he said. "We're seeing the same attitudes toward Hyundai, and to a lesser degree Kia, that we saw when doing surveys of Toyota buyers back in the '70s and early '80s. Back then it was, 'I don't want to drive my father's Oldsmobile.' Today it's 'my father's Camry.' "

Toyota spent decades figuring out the U.S. market before hitting its stride just over a decade ago; Hyundai is evolving much more quickly, adding a full lineup of SUVs and minivans by the end of next year. High fuel prices and an uncertain economy have helped spur them along and open the door for even more competition.

Earlier this month, a U.S. distributor announced plans to begin importing low-cost cars from China in the next few years. Spinella conducted a survey of 640 people who said they were thinking of buying a car, and found that nearly a third were willing to buy Chinese as long as the product was of reasonable quality.

"There isn't a huge resistance," he said. "Somebody coming in with lower price and higher content just like the Koreans did is going to wind up grabbing at least a chunk of the market."

you know that your just posting a bunch of opinions right? mr. ace reporter.

start reporting us some new japanese/european cars, we don't give a crap about some krn crap.

and if i am a troller, then you are a troller too.
 

DanTMWTMP

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hehe it's pretty much glaringly apparent that brown noser and infest are trolls.

and what nfs4 posted were valid opinions from editors from the auto industry. It's true Hyundai is making tremendous strides in quality and car appeal, and it's damn hard not to notice. what i see from brown noser and infest are replies where they felt as if they were personally attacked, so they resort to just saying things like "i know you are, but what am I." They have no other articles to prove their points, nor backup their statements. they sound like children at best.
 

ivol07

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I like it...but maybe I'm a little biased. My 2001 Elantra has 90k miles on it and I've never had a problem. NOT ONE PROBLEM. Well, a flat tire once. And my wifes 2003 Santa Fe runs great as well. Hyundai has sold us. I couldn't wait to get out of my crappy Altima before I had my Elantra (But not before I had to replace the tranny, alternator and radiator), and my wife got rid of her 99 Honda Civic which was constantly having problems also.

But I would never buy a used Hyundai older than a year 2000....
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: ivol07
I like it...but maybe I'm a little biased. My 2001 Elantra has 90k miles on it and I've never had a problem. NOT ONE PROBLEM. Well, a flat tire once. And my wifes 2003 Santa Fe runs great as well. Hyundai has sold us. I couldn't wait to get out of my crappy Altima before I had my Elantra (But not before I had to replace the tranny, alternator and radiator), and my wife got rid of her 99 Honda Civic which was constantly having problems also.

But I would never buy a used Hyundai older than a year 2000....

A Honda Civic with problems? I don't believe you...
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Brown Noser
I guess VW and Hyundai are sharing their rear lights now eh?

Hyundai will not be up there with Toyota and Honda in 5 years. I don't think they will ever come close. Their vehicles are still way too unreliable and the designs are horrendous at best.

Hyundai is already at Toyota/Hyundai level and is already matching or surpassing them in initial quality and long-term reliability, not to mention build quality. Just take a look at the new 2006 Sonata

http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/alb...hows/NAIAS/2005/Hyundai/Sonata/001.jpg

That being said, stop talking out of your ass

 

ivol07

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ivol07
I like it...but maybe I'm a little biased. My 2001 Elantra has 90k miles on it and I've never had a problem. NOT ONE PROBLEM. Well, a flat tire once. And my wifes 2003 Santa Fe runs great as well. Hyundai has sold us. I couldn't wait to get out of my crappy Altima before I had my Elantra (But not before I had to replace the tranny, alternator and radiator), and my wife got rid of her 99 Honda Civic which was constantly having problems also.

But I would never buy a used Hyundai older than a year 2000....

A Honda Civic with problems? I don't believe you...

Well it's not like it blew up or something. Mostly electrical crap. But still problems.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Brown Noser
I guess VW and Hyundai are sharing their rear lights now eh?

Hyundai will not be up there with Toyota and Honda in 5 years. I don't think they will ever come close. Their vehicles are still way too unreliable and the designs are horrendous at best.

Hyundai is already at Toyota/Hyundai level and is already matching or surpassing them in initial quality and long-term reliability, not to mention build quality. Just take a look at the new 2006 Sonata

http://www.thecarlounge.net/gallery/alb...hows/NAIAS/2005/Hyundai/Sonata/001.jpg

That being said, stop talking out of your ass


No need for rolly eyes When it comes to build quality and materials use, I dare you to compare a Camry or Accord to the new 2006 Hyundai Sonata. Do it, go take a look at one down at your dealership. Take a drive in it it, you'll be amazed.

Hyundai is also matching Honda and Toyota in IQ and their dependability rating is steadily moving up.

Why the hell do you think that Toyota is so worried? It surely isn't b/c of Honda...
 

frank84

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hmmm did someone say "Hyundai owns Kia"?

Do you mean 'OWN' as actually own?

or 'OWN' and over powering Kia?

if Kia is reallyed OWNED by Hyundai, is there an article about it?

because I never heard about it..

ok.. that was off the topic..

back to the topic..

It looks nice, and I agree with people who said it looks like one of those Inifiniti.

and I am sure this is not the thread for fighting over which company makes better cars and so forth..

bottom line is.. .people buy cars that they like..
if you like camry, you buy camry..
if you like some pontiacs, you buy pontiacs..
if you like the hyundais you buy hyundai..

there's no single line of car that doesn't have 'problem' among their thousands of cars...

there will be problem in some camry, and some accords..

and I am sure there were many problem with hyundai..

yet, hyundai grew pretty big now... I am just excited to see them grow.
I am not saying their car is great great.. I have heard some sad stories about Hyundai .. but isn't it better to just keep our eyes open and see how they do? then just bashing on them without really wait?

as someone said 'long term' is very important in the car.. so why dont' we just wait and see how Hyundai do with their new Sonata or SantaFe or whatever they come up with? for next ... 5years or so?
 

Kalbi

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They seriously need to get rid of "Hyundai" and change their name to a cool one.
 
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