Square Does It Again

BrokenVisage

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Just got done playing through The World Ends With You after putting it off for months because I couldn't get use to the fighting system at first and dismissed it as something I would never get in to. Thankfully, I forced myself to give it another shot and ended up getting into more than any other game on the DS next to Elite Beat Agents.

Firstly, everything about the game is unique. The fighting system that I could barely stand when I first started playing actually turned out to be a lot of fun after that initial steep learning curve. In addition to that, the item/pin collection is entertaining to build and master as the game goes on. Next, the story and characters were impressively constructed and have the most realistic traits and dialog of any game I've ever played on any system. The one thing I didn't really get into but is still a lot of fun is the mini-game system called Tin Pin Slammer, which like most mini-games in Square's releases adds much to the playability and fun factor of TWEWY. The customization factor is great as well, you can change the difficulty level of the enemies AND players on-the-fly to gain more EXP and better pins, which is great once you get the fighting system down and can take on noise (enemies) more confidently. Finally, the graphics and music are as beautiful as they are distinctive and add a lot to the realism of the game, more so then any game I can think of. But above all, you have to give a lot of credit to Square for focusing so much on the characters and story more than anything in this one. The Matrix-esque setting and story is so different from the usual "save the world" scenario and the characters are incredibly relatable and not even close to the same old benevolent party of do-gooders. There so much more to say about this game but at this point I'm begging for TL;DRs so I'll stop there.

In all, this is probably the greatest game on the DS to date, and I'm being as unbiased as I possibly can after playing 100+ titles so far. It's not going to be for everyone, and like me many will be eager to throw it away after those first few battles, but just know that it's not some cookie-cutter RPG from Square and you don't have to be into Final Fantasy games to enjoy it, in fact this might be a surprising breath of fresh air for those with a disdain for FF titles. I know I'm late to the game here and hopefully I'm already preaching to the choir about it to most of you, but I feel the game really deserves to be brought to the attention of as many DS owners as possible. So, if you have a DS and want to get into something that will demand your attention for a couple of weeks or so.. this is it.

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Saga

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Can be the best game in the world and I'll still never see it. I'm way too old to be playing hand held consoles.
 

ViviTheMage

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Originally posted by: Saga
Can be the best game in the world and I'll still never see it. I'm way too old to be playing hand held consoles.

right....there is not age limit on video games, be it hand held or console.
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: Saga
Can be the best game in the world and I'll still never see it. I'm way too old to be playing hand held consoles.

right....there is not age limit on video games, be it hand held or console.

There is when you have the option of staring at a handheld game like a toddler with one of those rainbow colored spiny hats on or relaxing in a leather lazyboy with a real console (hell, could be a SNES for all I care) and a 72" LCD TV anchored to a wall with a 5.1 surround system around you.

Pretty much like going from a Festiva to a Lamborghini Diablo.

Unless you're trying to argue one of those "well what else do I have to do on the train from downtown" conundrums; in which case I have a relatively equal lack of sympathy because I firmly believe that freeform mind-numbing entertainment such as handheld dvd players and ipods are what has turned our current generation children into a bunch of fucking 10-second attention span freak the shit out when they have to sit idle for 60 seconds ADD drooling retards.

I mean shit is it really that hard to just talk to your kids in a car instead of throwing fucking scooby doo into the popdown DVD player to shut them up?
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: Saga
Can be the best game in the world and I'll still never see it. I'm way too old to be playing hand held consoles.

right....there is not age limit on video games, be it hand held or console.

There is when you have the option of staring at a handheld game like a toddler with one of those rainbow colored spiny hats on or relaxing in a leather lazyboy with a real console (hell, could be a SNES for all I care) and a 72" LCD TV anchored to a wall with a 5.1 surround system around you.

Pretty much like going from a Festiva to a Lamborghini Diablo.

Not really, but keep telling yourself that.

KT
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
Originally posted by: Saga
Can be the best game in the world and I'll still never see it. I'm way too old to be playing hand held consoles.

right....there is not age limit on video games, be it hand held or console.

There is when you have the option of staring at a handheld game like a toddler with one of those rainbow colored spiny hats on or relaxing in a leather lazyboy with a real console (hell, could be a SNES for all I care) and a 72" LCD TV anchored to a wall with a 5.1 surround system around you.

Pretty much like going from a Festiva to a Lamborghini Diablo.

Yep, you're an idiot.
 

Alienwho

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You may have convinced me to give it a shot. I casually tried it a few days ago but stopped after about 5 minutes because I just wasn't ready to commit.
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Not really, but keep telling yourself that.

KT

Well, I'm not claiming to be an absolute resource, by any means KT. The last handheld I owned was a gameboy in highschool. I'm sure they've probably come a long way, I just can't get myself to get into something I view as having severe limitations. Let me explain, and please correct me because I'm absolutely sure I'm wrong on at least one point.

I don't have a commute of any type during my day. I sort of view handhelds as another method of keeping oneself occupied during times of monotony - a bus ride, a train ride, an airplane flight. I also tend to commit to playing at home for long periods of time. Anywhere from 5-7 hour spans after work on weekdays and sometimes 10+ hour spans on weekends if nothing else is planned and/or nobody is doing anything. I have a hard time picturing how I could possibly maintain a comfortable sitting position with a handheld console for 5 hours and stare down without potentially throwing something out in my neck/back.

I mean hell, educate me, I may be a grumpy opinionated asshole but it's not like I can't and don't routinely change my mind. What do you use it for?
 

erwos

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I got most of the way through TWEWY, but didn't bother to finish it. Combat got repetitive, and the story got boring. I'd say the middle part of the game is the best, and that, on the whole, it is a unique game, FWIW.

Oh, and before the accusations start flying, I'm _ultra hard-core_ into console and handheld RPGs, and don't have a huge pref for turn-based over action, or vica versa. I'm just calling it like I saw it.
 

FuryofFive

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Not really, but keep telling yourself that.

KT

Well, I'm not claiming to be an absolute resource, by any means KT. The last handheld I owned was a gameboy in highschool. I'm sure they've probably come a long way, I just can't get myself to get into something I view as having severe limitations. Let me explain, and please correct me because I'm absolutely sure I'm wrong on at least one point.

I don't have a commute of any type during my day. I sort of view handhelds as another method of keeping oneself occupied during times of monotony - a bus ride, a train ride, an airplane flight. I also tend to commit to playing at home for long periods of time. Anywhere from 5-7 hour spans after work on weekdays and sometimes 10+ hour spans on weekends if nothing else is planned and/or nobody is doing anything. I have a hard time picturing how I could possibly maintain a comfortable sitting position with a handheld console for 5 hours and stare down without potentially throwing something out in my neck/back.

I mean hell, educate me, I may be a grumpy opinionated asshole but it's not like I can't and don't routinely change my mind. What do you use it for?

its about the games man heh, plus this game may not be on any other system but the DS
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: FuryofFive

its about the games man heh, plus this game may not be on any other system but the DS

Thats something that has always struck me as extremely odd. What does Final fantasy IV for the DS typically run? I'm 100% certain I'd be willing to shell out $50 to play that on the PS3 and/or 360 fully understanding the graphics would be leagues behind what either console is capable of.

I LOVED that game on SNES. I played it in elementary school so many times I knew the dialogue by heart. Nothing would make me happier than seeing the game graphically redone with the same beautiful music score, but I simply can't bring myself to buy a handheld device to do so. =/
 

ViviTheMage

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I do not own and hand helds...but I do play games on my iphone, pretty often...not because I am on a train or subway, because some of them are pretty damn fun... I also have a 360 and my PC to play games on, but sometimes hand helds have some pretty sweet games too.
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: shocksyde

Yep, you're an idiot.

Last time I checked, this wasn't P&N. Since when are personal attacks allowed?

Personal attacks are allowed in P&N?

I'm just calling it like I see it, your statement was ridiculous.
 

Saga

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Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: shocksyde

Yep, you're an idiot.

Last time I checked, this wasn't P&N. Since when are personal attacks allowed?

Personal attacks are allowed in P&N?

I'm just calling it like I see it, your statement was ridiculous.

Dunno. I just sort of guessed they were since every other thread has someone outright bashing/insulting Dave, so if it WASN'T allowed, I guess he must have just been the exception everyone was given free reign to bash to hell and back.

Look. I can appreciate you disagree with me, but rather than insulting me, why not tell me why? I love a good debate and there is no point in calling each other stupid over opinions.
 

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Keep in mind that the combat mechanics change depending on the pins you use and other factors (which are purposely vague to avoid spoilering). Some pins/gestures which are utterly painful to use at the start can later become very powerful in conjunction with the right abilities (or simple levelling/evolution).

It's definitely not a game for everyone, but it's the only truly unique experience I've seen recently, and those who dismiss it after a few hours of gameplay may have their minds changed as the story and item progression continues.
 

shocksyde

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Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: Saga
Originally posted by: shocksyde

Yep, you're an idiot.

Last time I checked, this wasn't P&N. Since when are personal attacks allowed?

Personal attacks are allowed in P&N?

I'm just calling it like I see it, your statement was ridiculous.

Dunno. I just sort of guessed they were since every other thread has someone outright bashing/insulting Dave, so if it WASN'T allowed, I guess he must have just been the exception everyone was given free reign to bash to hell and back.

Look. I can appreciate you disagree with me, but rather than insulting me, why not tell me why? I love a good debate and there is no point in calling each other stupid over opinions.

Fair enough.

I disagree with you because in no way does the medium dictate how fun a game will be. Someone could come up with the greatest game ever and it would be played with nothing more than a piece of paper and Q-Tip. Suggesting that games are only fun when played on a new generation console with a big TV is simply ignorant.
 

FuryofFive

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can anyone get into this game. or do you ahve to be like pro-rpg to get into it. im looking for a cool rpg game.. but all the text kills me.. i even tried to play pokemon diamond and could because of all the text. ick
 

erwos

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Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
Keep in mind that the combat mechanics change depending on the pins you use and other factors (which are purposely vague to avoid spoilering). Some pins/gestures which are utterly painful to use at the start can later become very powerful in conjunction with the right abilities (or simple levelling/evolution).
This doesn't change the fact that, frankly, the attacks don't seem to control very well. I blame this on having multiple badges active at a time - sounds better than it was, to some extent.

It's definitely not a game for everyone, but it's the only truly unique experience I've seen recently, and those who dismiss it after a few hours of gameplay may have their minds changed as the story and item progression continues.
I was on the fourth day of the third week when I stopped. You can disagree, but, honestly, I didn't feel the game wasn't getting any better, and that was _way_ past midway.

If I was going to pick the DS game of the year, it'd be DQIV, hands-down.
 

ggnl

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Originally posted by: FuryofFive
can anyone get into this game. or do you ahve to be like pro-rpg to get into it. im looking for a cool rpg game.. but all the text kills me.. i even tried to play pokemon diamond and could because of all the text. ick

There's not an excessive amount of text, but you can't just gloss over it or you won't know what to do and where to go. I thought the storyline was fairly interesting, but if you've been easily bored by other RPGs you'll probably feel the same about this one.
 

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The original final fantasy 7 was one of my favorite games of all time.

Less than a month ago, I bought a psp to play Crisis Core final fantasy 7.

I have a 50 inch plasma with nice 5.1 sound. I am accustomed to playing games on that. I have been using this plasma for 2 years now. Its great.

I can't spend more than 10 minutes with the psp because its dinky and the sound sucks. I totally agree with Saga.

The psp package purchase was a waste of $225. I wish I could get all of my money back.
 

nakedfrog

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I think I played it for an hour or two and couldn't get into it.
I don't get all the love that Elite Beat Agents gets, either. I put probably five or six hours into that, and it's alright.
 
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